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Nov 30, 2020 at 4:14
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Thn did their top 100 and went orr, harvey, Lidstrom, shore, bourque.

I went with bourque number 2. Reason why: 19 year end all star team selections, so essentially 19 times was considered a top four defenseman in the league, 13 of those top 2. His 13 are more than total selection s for lidstrom/harvey which is absolutely insane to me. 5 Norris in arguably the toughest peer competition. Who does everyone else have?
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Jun 14 at 1:19
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Paul Coffey
Jun 15 at 10:21
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We are all too young to remember Shore and Harvey. Actually I remember Harvey as Ranger and St Louis Blue.

From your list I would say Lidstrom, but I might say Denis Potvin. In Potvin's LAST season in 72 games, 19 goals 32 assists and a plus 26. He was great offensively and defensively and had mean streak when he had to be.
Jun 15 at 10:46
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Bobby Orr. It's an unpopular opinion, but imo Lidström is the No. 1 all time.

Hockey was so different game back in the 1970s it's just not comparable to modern day hockey in any meaningful way.

That is just my opinion though. I won't say it's wrong to think otherwise.
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Jun 16 at 5:38
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Quoting: justaBoss
Bobby Orr. It's an unpopular opinion, but imo Lidström is the No. 1 all time.

Hockey was so different game back in the 1970s it's just not comparable to modern day hockey in any meaningful way.

That is just my opinion though. I won't say it's wrong to think otherwise.


Lidstrom is my n.1 too
Jun 16 at 12:10
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Lidstrom is my n.1 too


Really? I don't know how you can look at Orrs offensive numbers and plus/minus (which actually meant something at his time) and say he wasn't the best d-man all time.
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Jun 21 at 4:43
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Quoting: justaBoss
Bobby Orr. It's an unpopular opinion, but imo Lidström is the No. 1 all time.

Hockey was so different game back in the 1970s it's just not comparable to modern day hockey in any meaningful way.

That is just my opinion though. I won't say it's wrong to think otherwise.


Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Lidstrom is my n.1 too


Orr is better hands down.

Quoting: Jello_Bob
Really? I don't know how you can look at Orrs offensive numbers and plus/minus (which actually meant something at his time) and say he wasn't the best d-man all time.
Jun 21 at 4:51
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Orr is better hands down.


You have your opinion we have ours
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Jun 21 at 5:06
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I can live with someone selecting any of the five as number one, but for me the only reason there’s room for discussion is orr having his career cut short. He probably would’ve won at least 10 Norris
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Jun 21 at 5:49
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Edited Jun 30 at 8:47
Simple pick here for me. Nick Lidstrom.
If I was to list off what some of my top 10 could look like it would be:
1. Bobby Orr
2. Nick Lidstrom
3. Ray Bourque
4. Chris Chelios
5. Doug Harvey
6. Paul Coffey
7. Larry Robinson
8. Scott Niedermayer
9. Chris Pronger
10. Eddie Shore
(HM to Denis Potvin)
Jun 21 at 6:39
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My top 10:
Orr
Bourque
Lidstrom
Harvey
Shore
Potvin
Robinson
Coffey
Kelly
Pronger
Jun 30 at 7:13
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Quoting: justaBoss
Bobby Orr. It's an unpopular opinion, but imo Lidström is the No. 1 all time.

Hockey was so different game back in the 1970s it's just not comparable to modern day hockey in any meaningful way.

That is just my opinion though. I won't say it's wrong to think otherwise.


I get what your saying
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Jun 30 at 11:02
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Orr is better hands down.


I mean, like you say, you can't compare eras, maybe Lidstrom is better.
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Jul 1 at 1:08
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Quoting: JetsCanesSens
I mean, like you say, you can't compare eras, maybe Lidstrom is better.


That's fair, but Orrs numbers are just insane.
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Jul 1 at 3:01
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Quoting: Saskleaf
That's fair, but Orrs numbers are just insane.


Yes they are.
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Jul 2 at 8:32
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Where is Scott Stevens? grin
Jul 6 at 4:44
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Karl Alzner
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Jul 12 at 5:46
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Quoting: Dzinger18
Simple pick here for me. Nick Lidstrom.
If I was to list off what some of my top 10 could look like it would be:
1. Bobby Orr
2. Nick Lidstrom
3. Ray Bourque
4. Chris Chelios
5. Doug Harvey
6. Paul Coffey
7. Larry Robinson
8. Scott Niedermayer
9. Chris Pronger
10. Eddie Shore
(HM to Denis Potvin)


how is Al Macinnis, Scott Stevens, Al Iafrate, not on this list
Jul 12 at 6:14
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Quoting: oilerbrad
how is Al Macinnis, Scott Stevens, Al Iafrate, not on this list


How do you have iafrate in that?
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Jul 12 at 6:18
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Quoting: oilerbrad
how is Al Macinnis, Scott Stevens, Al Iafrate, not on this list


Macinnis and Stevens are both considerable, but Iafrate shouldn't be in these talks. He was a great defenseman, but not quite top 10 material IMO.
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Jul 16 at 8:58
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Jul 17 at 2:39
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Pierre Pilote


Almost had him in my top 10, guy is never mentioned
Jul 21 at 11:15
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I really like Lidstrom as a # 2, BUT, that's a big but. Eddie Shore has something significant that even Bobby Orr doesn't have. Eddie Shore has won the Hart Trophy 4 times. So, I have Eddie Shore as the second best D-man all time. Bourque, Lidstrom, Harvey never won the most valuable player award, Shore won it 4 times.
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Jul 23 at 6:07
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OEL...
whoops wrong thread!
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Jul 24 at 1:30
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Quoting: oilersguy
Paul Coffey


Nope he was a forward playing defense, his defense was atrocious
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