I wouldn’t give up either of them for McCann really not even close....

Big no from EDM!!

a 3c and a second is not worth that much. 2 prospects with good potential

Oilers counter with Khaira and Chaisson for Guentzel

it's the "good Potential" thing in relation to Puljujärvi that makes us all laugh

You guys have no clue who McCann is. Or ever watched him play. I understand, being a west coast team though. Not many Pens fans know about about West coast teams and players!!!

McCann is only 24, back to back 35 point season, good 2 way player, great shot, 20 goal scorer. Much more established than Puljujarvi. Played in the NHL since he was 19. Former 1st round pick. And not a 3C, yes’s he played there last year cause that’s where the pens were weak. But this year, he’s playing on the LW were he belongs. Great shot, can put the puck in the net. From the time he was 19-23 he’s been jumped around from 3C to top 6 wing, to bottom 6 wing. Now the pens GM and coach, said he’s staying on the LW all year. And gonna do what he does best. And score!! Players need that consistency and routine. Most athletes do.

If Puljujarvi has a bad year this year, his value goes way down. And Lavoie is just another “B”, “B+” prospect. He could bust the same way as Benson is.

Since when did benson bust? A slight down year in his second ahl season but that’s a result of his team running into injury issues. Jp is better than McCann that’s not even debatable not even close

We’ll see this year. Puljujarvi hasn’t proven anything.

Looking forward to it.

I’m a fan man!! That’s why I would want the Pens to trade for him!! But I’m a fan of McCann too. And I know the problem people have with him. They look at his stats and think 2018 is two separate seasons!! It’s not, it’s split b/ween 2 teams, u have to add them together for his 2018 season. And McCann was picked 20th overall and played in the NHL at 19 years old. Made the roster and never looked back!! I bet every NHL team wishes the 20th overall pick wins a roster spot in the NHL at 19 years old!!

And A slight down year?? From Benson!! Ok, I guess!! And in your 2nd AHL season that isn’t good. That’s when u are supposed to compete for a roster spot
Or atleast show u are almost ready. This will be his 3rd. And with the COvid sh*it and this might being a lost season fro him too. It doesn’t look good!! Already past up by better options. Looks like he’s a career AHL player or a depth 13-14 forward at best, IMO. Good luck though man!! Stay positive!! I like it!!

I have no doubt in my mind benson would be penciled in for this years roster if any other gm was in charge even with Holland forcing him to overcome depth he had a reasonable chance up until COVID changed the landscape financially around the league allowing him to cash in on a couple extremely cheap good signings. Wouldn’t jump to calling benson a bust or limiting his ceiling to an extra forward yet he’s very talented and so far has overcame his biggest hurdle and he’s managed to stay healthy. His last year in the ahl he suffered a bit from his team getting nailed with injury bug and had very little to work with but still had a decent year I personally never viewed it as a problem with his development has been fairly on track with what hoped for.

Like I said, good luck man!! I like the positivity!! And for real, I’m not being a smart a*s

And I know you can’t tell everything from a stat line. You have to watch McCann play to see how good he is. But doesn’t his stat line look better when that 2018 season isn’t separate like that. When u add it together like it’s supposed to be. Most people just glance over that and it looks bad. And knowing that he is only 24, and the 1st season he was 19 years old and wasn’t even Top 15 pick. And won a roster spot at 19 years old!! And never looked back or gave it back.

You should definitely keep him than.

You laugh at everything include yourself bot. You probably think Puljujarvi is some future 4th liner, so your opinion is invalid



I know exactly who McCann is. Hes a defensive 3c that isn't that good at producing offense. He takes on low role but still exceeds there. Your valuing McCann a little to high but the problem is your way undervaluing Lavoie. Puljujarvi's value is pretty much a mystery but Lavoie is a very good prospect. Has second line potential

You don’t watch McCann then. He is not a 3c. That’s where he played last year because the Pens were weak there. Yes he can play 3c too because he is versatile and a good playmaker. And yes, a good two-way player. But he’s a better natural scorer!! He has a great shot!!

You might want to look closer at McCann stat line buddy!! 2018 isn’t 2 separate years. It’s just one year, split between two teams. Yes, it’s 2 stat lines, but they need added together. Cause it’s just one year, split b/ween two teams. That year, he had 19 goals and 35 points. U can’t tell everything u need to know from looking at a stat line buddy!! And next time, u might want to look closer!! Lol. Again, he’s played in the NHL since he was 19. Won a roster spot when he was 19 and never looked back!! How old is Lavoie now?? Lol..Lavoie is just another “B”, “B+” prospect at best!! But he’s a top 6 and McCann isn’t?? Lol. Lavoie will probably bust just like Benson. It’s gonna be another lost year in the AHL probably and Lavoie wont win a roster spot. Gonna be tough. Better options are gonna be passing him up soon just like Benson

Like 90% of people on this site view him as a bust....and then there is you.

Lol. I’m a fan of Puljujarvi too!! I just think the Pens need to get 1st round talent where ever they can get it from. Just like the O’Connor and Maniscalco signings. I like the college FA sIgning route too, signing talent!! I would have liked if the Pens would have traded for Liars Andersson too. I would still like for the to trade for Ho-Sung. I have faith, just like I know that Kappy will change in Pgh. Once younger players walk into a locker room with Sid and Geno, and Letang. And an adult locker room like we have Iin Pittsburgh. Not a bunch or kids and their peers. Players change, they are on their best behavior, and work hard to prove they belong, And younger players want to stick around and stay on Sid and Geno’s line for as long as they can. Younger players all respect Crosby and Malkin. Whether your Canadian, or from the US or from Russia or Europe. We have a player that they grew up watching and trying to be like. We’ll see the change this year with Kappy.

Pens offer a 6th for Puljujarvi and a 6th

It's not trolling, it is my offer for Yakupov v2.0. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is trolling.

It's not where you are drafted it's what you do with it.
he's decided to skate east west with it, well good luck with that. There is a word for that in the NHL, bust.

I get it!! I can see why some people think he is a bust.


I just think the Pens need to get 1st round talent where ever they can get it from!! I like the college FA sIgning route too, signing talent!!

I would have liked if the Pens would have traded for Liars Andersson too. I would still like for the to trade for Ho-Sung. I have faith, just like I know that Kappy will change in Pgh. Once younger players walk into a locker room with Sid and Geno, and Letang. And an adult locker room like we have Iin Pittsburgh. Not a bunch or kids and their peers. Players change, they are on their best behavior, and work hard to prove they belong, And younger players want to stick around and stay on Sid and Geno’s line for as long as they can. Younger players all respect Crosby and Malkin. Whether your Canadian, or from the US or from Russia or Europe. We have a player that they grew up watching and trying to be like. We’ll see the change this year with Kappy.

I'll chime in here because I see what you're referring to.

The problem (I guess?) is that the offer is so incredibly unrealistic. Holland refused to move Puljujarvi for a set price and you're so far south of what that ask is that it really does come off as trolling.

You're 1000% allowed to think the player is valueless, but if you aren't going to operate in the realm of reality there's no need to post about it, is there? At that point you're probably better off just declining the trade and justify it based on Puljujarvi being included and thinking the Penguins are giving up too much.

To me at least, that comes off as less hostile at the very least. "JP for nothing" really only serves to piss off those that think he has value.

Yes, your draft position isn’t the end all be all. Of course not. But there is defiantly a difffermce b/ween 1st round talent, and 3rd-4th-5th, etc, round talent. Yes, they are young, so some of the less talented players at 19 can sneak up on you at 21-22-232-24 years old. But players outside of the 3rd-4th round usually are significantly less talented than the 1st 2. Or they have a deficiency like size, or injury and would have been picked in the 1st two rounds if they weren’t. But yes, you are right. 1st round picks are like 50-50. Second round 60-40. I don’t know the exact numbers, but the 1st round is crap shoot too.

Ya, I agree. He definitely still has value. I’m the OP. But if he has a bad year this year. That will probably significantly decrease and then the bust label will be thrown around.

As (unfortunately) an Oilers fan, this is my line of thought. I fully expected him to sign a one-year deal instead of a two year deal: if it doesn't work this season, there's a lot less incentive to believe it will next year.

However, this comes with a caveat:

His NHLe last season was in the mid-30s. Third line production. If he matches that, I won't consider him as a player a bust. If he can hang as a top-nine forward then he's clearly an NHL player. He absolutely won't live up to his draft status if that's the case, but that's on him and the organization. Anything above that mark pushing him into that "middle-six production" bracket is a win. Holland wins GM of the year if Puljujarvi plays as a top-line talent.

So in short, the threshold for what we consider as a "bust" might vary between users, but I think we all agree that this is his "show me" year.