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Cup Contender

Created by: TheAlien
Initial Creation Date: Nov 29, 2020
Published: Dec 1, 2020 at 9:53
Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Team Explanation
Assume Reinhart demands a trade or Adams decides to tear everything down and start from scratch
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Podkolzin, Vasily3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Pettersson, Elias8$10,000,000
Hughes, Quinn3$7,000,000
Demko, Thatcher5$4,000,000
Gaudette, Adam3$2,000,000
Rafferty, Brogan2$1,000,000
Juolevi, Olli2$1,000,000
Hawryluk, Jayce2$800,000
Reinhart, Sam6$6,000,000
Bailey, Justin2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan5$7,000,000
Larsson, Adam4$3,000,000
Trades
VAN
    Seattle
    WSH
    1. Holtby, Braden
    VAN
    1. 2023 7th round pick (WSH)
    WSH
    1. Beagle, Jay ($1,500,000 retained)
    VAN
    1. 2022 7th round pick (TOR)
    Anywhere
    TOR
    1. Roussel, Antoine
    2. 2022 4th round pick (VAN)
    VAN
    1. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
    BUF
    1. Virtanen, Jake
    2. Woo, Jett
    3. Lind, Kole [RFA Rights]
    4. Eriksson, Loui
    5. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Jay Beagle: $1,500,000 (50%)
    Recapture Fees
    • Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    2022
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    TOR
    2023
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    WSH
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$81,313,546$0$1,082,500$186,454
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    VAN
    Miller, J.T.
    $5,250,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Pettersson, Elias
    $10,000,000
    C
    RFA
    VAN
    Boeser, Brock
    $5,875,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $7,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA
    VAN
    Horvat, Bo
    $5,500,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Reinhart, Sam
    $6,000,000
    RW, C
    RFA
    VAN
    Höglander, Nils
    $891,667
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    VAN
    Gaudette, Adam
    $2,000,000
    C
    RFA
    VAN
    Podkolzin, Vasily
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA
    VAN
    Motte, Tyler
    $1,225,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    VAN
    MacEwen, Zack
    $825,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Bailey, Justin
    $800,000
    RW
    RFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    VAN
    Hughes, Quinn
    $7,000,000
    LD
    RFA
    Larsson, Adam
    $3,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    VAN
    Demko, Thatcher
    $4,000,000
    G
    UFA - 5
    VAN
    Schmidt, Nate
    $5,950,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    VAN
    Myers, Tyler
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    VAN
    DiPietro, Michael
    $811,667
    G
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Juolevi, Olli
    $1,000,000
    LD
    RFA
    VAN
    Rafferty, Brogan
    $1,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    VAN
    Hawryluk, Jayce
    $800,000
    RW, LW
    RFA
    VAN
    Ferland, Micheal
    $3,500,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Rathbone, Jack
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 1

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    Dec 1, 2020 at 10:31
    #1
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    The Sabres will only trade Reinhart to keep Hall. So they would decline due to the Eriksson contract.
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 10:32
    #2
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    Quoting: Sabreshockey53
    The Sabres will only trade Reinhart to keep Hall. So they would decline due to the Eriksson contract.


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    Dec 1, 2020 at 10:50
    #3
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    Quoting: TheAlien
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    There’s still no way they take a bad contract in return. They already have $11M tied up between Okposo and Ristolainen.
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 10:57
    #4
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    Quoting: MJCrv
    There’s still no way they take a bad contract in return. They already have $11M tied up between Okposo and Ristolainen.


    Okay, what if I take out Eriksson and the 1st and replace it with Roussel and a 3rd instead?
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:13
    #5
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Okay, what if I take out Eriksson and the 1st and replace it with Roussel and a 3rd instead?

    They have no use for any of those players. I would rather take an Reinhart offersheet.
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:17
    #6
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    Quoting: Sabreshockey53
    The Sabres will only trade Reinhart to keep Hall. So they would decline due to the Eriksson contract.


    Only 1 year of Loui though
    I could see us doing this possibly
    Especially if Virtanen has a good season
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:18
    #7
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Okay, what if I take out Eriksson and the 1st and replace it with Roussel and a 3rd instead?


    That’s MUCH worse
    The 1st is the only reason we’d even consider it
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:18
    #8
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    They have no use for any of those players. I would rather take an Reinhart offersheet.


    So if I were to OS Reinhart at 6x6 would you let him walk?
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:19
    #9
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    That’s MUCH worse
    The 1st is the only reason we’d even consider it


    I realize that but if I'm taking out Eriksson there's no way I can offer the same trade
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:25
    #10
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    I realize that but if I'm taking out Eriksson there's no way I can offer the same trade


    It’s an EASY “no” without the 1st
    And it’s borderline with it
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:28
    #11
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    So if I were to OS Reinhart at 6x6 would you let him walk?


    He probably wouldn’t accept a 6 million dollar contract. He’s probably would want 7 plus after the season he will probably have.
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    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:29
    #12
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    Wicked team. Defintely Semi-finals at least. The top six is elite and some Vancouver boys coming home, cool. 3rd line could be and would be amazing. I would even say Lind shares time with Justin Bailey or takes his spot. Or Hawryluk could play centre on the 4th....ooohhh. Or maybe even Michaelis on 4th line Centre spot.

    Defense though...Schmidt plays RD. The Canucks have a strong prospect pool on the LD. Save your money on Larsson and resign Edler for the same or less. Then give Rathbone and Joulevi a strong chance at second LD with Brisebois in the mix. If anyone on the RD gets injured then Chatfield gets called up. .....Another other option is Bring in Tryamkin instead of Edler an save a 1mill.

    If Holtby goes then you will need a grizzled Vet. for cheap that can share duties...like...Bernier, Dubnyk, Rinne or even Hutton.
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:30
    #13
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    He probably wouldn’t accept a 6 million dollar contract. He’s probably would want 7 plus after the season he will probably have.


    If he puts up 80+ points I'll give him 7 but right now 6 is more than fair in my eyes
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:42
    #14
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Okay, what if I take out Eriksson and the 1st and replace it with Roussel and a 3rd instead?

    I don’t know. I don’t think so. I like Virtanen, but I don’t think they’d want him as a replacement for Reinhart.
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:42
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    Quoting: Canuckel_head
    Wicked team. Defintely Semi-finals at least. The top six is elite and some Vancouver boys coming home, cool. 3rd line could be and would be amazing. I would even say Lind shares time with Justin Bailey or takes his spot. Or Hawryluk could play centre on the 4th....ooohhh. Or maybe even Michaelis on 4th line Centre spot.

    Defense though...Schmidt plays RD. The Canucks have a strong prospect pool on the LD. Save your money on Larsson and resign Edler for the same or less. Then give Rathbone and Joulevi a strong chance at second LD with Brisebois in the mix. If anyone on the RD gets injured then Chatfield gets called up. .....Another other option is Bring in Tryamkin instead of Edler an save a 1mill.

    If Holtby goes then you will need a grizzled Vet. for cheap that can share duties...like...Bernier, Dubnyk, Rinne or even Hutton.


    You can replace Dipietro with who ever you want doesn't matter to me but when it comes to Larsson I just think he's kinda underrated because of the Hall trade and his advanced stats are actually similar to Tanev so I think him playing with a better, more possession-based partner could be huge for him. I also prefer if the RD are actually right-handed which is why I have Schmidt on his natural side
    Dec 1, 2020 at 11:55
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    It’s an EASY “no” without the 1st
    And it’s borderline with it


    I have no problem keeping the 1st in, it was the other guy complaining lol
    Dec 2, 2020 at 12:22
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    I have no problem keeping the 1st in, it was the other guy complaining lol


    Your initial proposal is still iffy

    Reinhart is an underrated player imo...
    I could just be a “homer” though with that
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    Dec 2, 2020 at 8:38
    #18
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    Yeah that garbage doesn't get you Sam Reinhart, And Vancouver is still a long ways away from being a serious cup contender.
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    Dec 2, 2020 at 9:19
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Yeah that garbage doesn't get you Sam Reinhart, And Vancouver is still a long ways away from being a serious cup contender.


    Ill try to be objective here and say- sabres fans have been told by numerous neutral parties, that okposo would take a first with something else very nice attached to move. Eriksson and okposo are roughly the same value. I dont love reinhart as a player, but the numbers just dont lie, he consistently puts up goals and points. So either this offer is way underestimating what it would cost to move eriksson, or it is way underestimating what it would cost to acquire reinhart. Plus, the only way i see reinhart being moved is if hall is just dynamite with eichel and reinhart gets moved for futures, simply to free up salary.
    Dec 2, 2020 at 2:35
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    Quoting: Sabreshockey53
    Quoting: MJCrv
    Quoting: Sabres923
    Quoting: Jdfitz77


    Reinhart, Sam > Virtanen, Jake + Woo, Jett + Lind, Kole [RFA Rights]
    Lind is a decent prospect.
    Maybe a pick or an upgrade over Woo might move the needle.
    nothing > Eriksson, Loui + 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
    The year Marleau was traded with a first he had 16 goals and 21 assists in 82 games.
    This past year Eriksson had 6 goals and 7 assists in 49 games.
    Less than half the production.
    I do not envision Loui being any better this coming year.
    A first is the minimum add on to take Loui.

    I welcome feedback.
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    Dec 2, 2020 at 9:52
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    Quoting: gretzkyghosts
    Reinhart, Sam > Virtanen, Jake + Woo, Jett + Lind, Kole [RFA Rights]
    Lind is a decent prospect.
    Maybe a pick or an upgrade over Woo might move the needle.
    nothing > Eriksson, Loui + 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
    The year Marleau was traded with a first he had 16 goals and 21 assists in 82 games.
    This past year Eriksson had 6 goals and 7 assists in 49 games.
    Less than half the production.
    I do not envision Loui being any better this coming year.
    A first is the minimum add on to take Loui.

    I welcome feedback.


    The reason to trade Sam is to open up some Cap space for Hall moving forward
    I haven’t looked at the numbers to see if we could take Loui for a year or not
    But it’s tough to say what fair value is gonna be after this season
    Any of the players involved could have their value rise or drop
    But I’d say his proposal is at least “in the ballpark”
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