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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
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A lot to give up for a guy on the decline. However the Leaf's would finally have what all of you are calling for... Not sure what the forward situation would look like either.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:31 a.m.
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nothing about doughty's contract is fun
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:31 a.m.
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
nothing about doughty's contract is fun


Haha!
Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:34 a.m.
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Kings aren't retaining 5.5 mill for the next 7 years. And Leafs fans are about to jump down your throat for suggesting that Doughty is, in fact, still a good hockey player.

Leafs aren't giving up a 70+ point player in Nylander and a cost-controlled really good D prospect/NHL player in Sandin. Dermott does nothing for this trade at all

Both teams don't do this.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:34 a.m.
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Sandin doesn't have to go on the other side, Nylander is way enough, plus Dermott is a bonus for the retention. Doughty's contract is an error from LA
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:37 a.m.
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
Kings aren't retaining 5.5 mill for the next 7 years. And Leafs fans are about to jump down your throat for suggesting that Doughty is, in fact, still a good hockey player.

Leafs aren't giving up a 70+ point player in Nylander and a cost-controlled really good D prospect/NHL player in Sandin. Dermott does nothing for this trade at all

Both teams don't do this.


Quoting: clapperzzz11
Sandin doesn't have to go on the other side, Nylander is way enough, plus Dermott is a bonus for the retention. Doughty's contract is an error from LA


Both good fair points!
Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:37 a.m.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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One if the worst suggestions yet.

Overpay of overpays for one of the worst contracts in the league.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:49 a.m.
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One if the worst suggestions yet.

Overpay of overpays for one of the worst contracts in the league.


Bad contract yes. Can he contribute as a number 1 d man? Absolutely. For 7 more years? No.
Nylander - Overrated floater
Dermott - At best a 6th d man
Sandin - The only real wildcard here.

Do I make this trade as either LA or TOR, no. However let's remember what a premiere defenseman actually costs. The purpose of this trade proposal is to stifle a few leaf fans in their preposterous trades.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 10:57 a.m.
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Glad you had fun
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Bad contract yes. Can he contribute as a number 1 d man? Absolutely. For 7 more years? No.
Nylander - Overrated floater
Dermott - At best a 6th d man
Sandin - The only real wildcard here.

Do I make this trade as either LA or TOR, no. However let's remember what a premiere defenseman actually costs. The purpose of this trade proposal is to stifle a few leaf fans in their preposterous trades.


If that is your analysis... Clearly, you don't get it.

One more for the ignore list. Best of luck to you moving forward.

And....... Bu-Bye!!
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Bad contract yes. Can he contribute as a number 1 d man? Absolutely. For 7 more years? No.
Nylander - Overrated floater
Dermott - At best a 6th d man
Sandin - The only real wildcard here.


Quoting: Trevorchef
If that is your analysis... Clearly, you don't get it.

One more for the ignore list. Best of luck to you moving forward.

And....... Bu-Bye!!


Some Random Names from Around the League - Sorted by Point Totals
-------------------Last 82 games played (All situations)--------------------------
---------------Eichel - 1795:17:00 TOI | 39g 49a 88p | $10.000Mx6------------
-------------Connor - 1718:32:00 TOI | 45g 41a 86p | $7.143Mx6-------------
----------------Point - 1558:15:00 TOI | 30g 46a 76p | $6.750Mx2--------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1497:03:00 TOI | 31g 44a 75p | $7.000Mx2--------------
--------Pettersson - 1502:53:00 TOI | 29g 46a 75p | ELC-------------------------
---------------Stone - 1561:19:00 TOI | 25g 48a 73p | $9.500Mx7---------------
------------------Aho - 1611:30:00 TOI | 38g 34a 72p | $8.454Mx4---------------
----------Rantanen - 1624:00:00 TOI | 35g 37a 72p | $9.250Mx5--------------
------------------Hall - 1579:39:00 TOI | 22g 48a 70p | $8.000Mx1---------------
---------Nylander - 1476:55:00 TOI | 33g 36a 69p | $6.960Mx4--------------
----------Hoffman - 1382:00:00 TOI | 34g 34a 68p | UFA---------------
--------Landeskog - 1659:50:00 TOI | 28g 40a 68p | $5.571Mx1---------------
----------------Laine - 1566:36:00 TOI | 29g 39a 68p | $6.750Mx1---------------
--------------Barzal - 1609:15:00 TOI | 20g 47a 67p | RFA--------------------------
---------Gaudreau - 1552:34:00 TOI | 21g 46a 67p | $6.750Mx2---------------
-----------Wheeler - 1583:35:00 TOI | 22g 44a 66p | $8.250Mx4---------------


------Last 82 games played | 5v5 (85% of each game on average)------
--------------Point - 1225:25:00 TOI | 20g 36a 56p | $6.750Mx2-----------------
-----------Connor - 1307:26:00 TOI | 29g 25a 54p | $7.143Mx6-----------------
-------------Barzal - 1362:18:00 TOI | 14g 35a 49p | RFA---------------------------
-------Nylander - 1217:33:00 TOI | 23g 25a 48p | $6.960Mx4----------------
-----M. Tkachuk - 1200:42:00 TOI | 20g 28a 48p | $7.000Mx2----------------
-------------Eichel - 1392:15:00 TOI | 22g 24a 46p | $10.000Mx6--------------
------Pettersson - 1165:54:00 TOI | 19g 25a 44p | ELC--------------------------
----------------Hall - 1245:21:00 TOI | 13g 31a 44p | $8.000Mx1---------------
----------------Aho - 1197:33:00 TOI | 21g 21a 42p | $8.454Mx4---------------
-------Gaudreau - 1262:30:00 TOI | 14g 27a 41p | $6.750Mx2----------------
--------------Laine - 1255:46:00 TOI | 15g 24a 39p | $6.750Mx1---------------
--------Rantanen - 1256:54:00 TOI | 15g 21a 36p | $9.250Mx5---------------
------Landeskog - 1285:16:00 TOI | 16g 19a 35p | $5.571Mx1---------------
---------Hoffman - 1043:21:00 TOI | 15g 18a 33p | UFA--------------------------
----------Wheeler - 1204:15:00 TOI | 14g 19a 33p | $8.250Mx4----------------
-----------------------------------overrated floater-----------------------------------------

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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Do I make this trade as either LA or TOR, no. However let's remember what a premiere defenseman actually costs. The purpose of this trade proposal is to stifle a few leaf fans in their preposterous trades.


didn't we just acquire muzzin, barrie, bogosian, lehtonen and brodie for bottom 6 players and draft picks? why are we suddenly trading nylander and sandin AND dermott for an overpaid offensive dman in decline? Brodie was half the price, prob better defensively, and free
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:22 a.m.
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yes, i'm sure the 590 crowd will love doughty until he turns out to be the exact type of player they accuse nylander of being
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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yes, i'm sure the 590 crowd will love doughty until he turns out to be the exact type of player they accuse nylander of being


idk, kapanen was literally the guy they accused nylander of being and they loved him

terrible back checker, lazy, one dimensional offence, sleeps in on practices etc.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:29 a.m.
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idk, kapanen was literally the guy they accused nylander of being and they loved him

terrible back checker, lazy, one dimensional offence, sleeps in on practices etc.


I really just mean "overpaid and lazy". Maybe Doughty would give a **** in Toronto but he's been really uninspiring these past couple of seasons.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:34 a.m.
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I wouldn't trade Justin holl for doughty at this point. He's over paid at 50% retained and will only get worse
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
Some Random Names from Around the League - Sorted by Point Totals
-------------------Last 82 games played (All situations)--------------------------
---------------Eichel - 1795:17:00 TOI | 39g 49a 88p | $10.000Mx6------------
-------------Connor - 1718:32:00 TOI | 45g 41a 86p | $7.143Mx6-------------
----------------Point - 1558:15:00 TOI | 30g 46a 76p | $6.750Mx2--------------
-------M. Tkachuk - 1497:03:00 TOI | 31g 44a 75p | $7.000Mx2--------------
--------Pettersson - 1502:53:00 TOI | 29g 46a 75p | ELC-------------------------
---------------Stone - 1561:19:00 TOI | 25g 48a 73p | $9.500Mx7---------------
------------------Aho - 1611:30:00 TOI | 38g 34a 72p | $8.454Mx4---------------
----------Rantanen - 1624:00:00 TOI | 35g 37a 72p | $9.250Mx5--------------
------------------Hall - 1579:39:00 TOI | 22g 48a 70p | $8.000Mx1---------------
---------Nylander - 1476:55:00 TOI | 33g 36a 69p | $6.960Mx4--------------
----------Hoffman - 1382:00:00 TOI | 34g 34a 68p | UFA---------------
--------Landeskog - 1659:50:00 TOI | 28g 40a 68p | $5.571Mx1---------------
----------------Laine - 1566:36:00 TOI | 29g 39a 68p | $6.750Mx1---------------
--------------Barzal - 1609:15:00 TOI | 20g 47a 67p | RFA--------------------------
---------Gaudreau - 1552:34:00 TOI | 21g 46a 67p | $6.750Mx2---------------
-----------Wheeler - 1583:35:00 TOI | 22g 44a 66p | $8.250Mx4---------------


------Last 82 games played | 5v5 (85% of each game on average)------
--------------Point - 1225:25:00 TOI | 20g 36a 56p | $6.750Mx2-----------------
-----------Connor - 1307:26:00 TOI | 29g 25a 54p | $7.143Mx6-----------------
-------------Barzal - 1362:18:00 TOI | 14g 35a 49p | RFA---------------------------
-------Nylander - 1217:33:00 TOI | 23g 25a 48p | $6.960Mx4----------------
-----M. Tkachuk - 1200:42:00 TOI | 20g 28a 48p | $7.000Mx2----------------
-------------Eichel - 1392:15:00 TOI | 22g 24a 46p | $10.000Mx6--------------
------Pettersson - 1165:54:00 TOI | 19g 25a 44p | ELC--------------------------
----------------Hall - 1245:21:00 TOI | 13g 31a 44p | $8.000Mx1---------------
----------------Aho - 1197:33:00 TOI | 21g 21a 42p | $8.454Mx4---------------
-------Gaudreau - 1262:30:00 TOI | 14g 27a 41p | $6.750Mx2----------------
--------------Laine - 1255:46:00 TOI | 15g 24a 39p | $6.750Mx1---------------
--------Rantanen - 1256:54:00 TOI | 15g 21a 36p | $9.250Mx5---------------
------Landeskog - 1285:16:00 TOI | 16g 19a 35p | $5.571Mx1---------------
---------Hoffman - 1043:21:00 TOI | 15g 18a 33p | UFA--------------------------
----------Wheeler - 1204:15:00 TOI | 14g 19a 33p | $8.250Mx4----------------
-----------------------------------overrated floater-----------------------------------------

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didn't we just acquire muzzin, barrie, bogosian, lehtonen and brodie for bottom 6 players and draft picks? why are we suddenly trading nylander and sandin AND dermott for an overpaid offensive dman in decline? Brodie was half the price, prob better defensively, and free


Lyle Bubas I like these lists. Thanks for sharing. I look at some of the names on these lists and they are fantastic. However I also see names that I would equate to floaters as well. Points aren't everything.
Again my point in all of this is for Leaf fans to calm the waters in the value they place on their perceived assets.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:45 a.m.
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Bad contract yes. Can he contribute as a number 1 d man? Absolutely. For 7 more years? No.
Nylander - Overrated floater
Dermott - At best a 6th d man
Sandin - The only real wildcard here.

Do I make this trade as either LA or TOR, no. However let's remember what a premiere defenseman actually costs. The purpose of this trade proposal is to stifle a few leaf fans in their preposterous trades.


Lol, drew doughty hasnt been a 1 d in years, and he hasnt been even good in 2 years.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Lyle Bubas I like these lists. Thanks for sharing. I look at some of the names on these lists and they are fantastic. However I also see names that I would equate to floaters as well. Points aren't everything.
Again my point in all of this is for Leaf fans to calm the waters in the value they place on their perceived assets.


Nylander's gotta get some more consistency, he even admitted himself the coach has to kick his ass sometimes to get him going

Hopefully some of the leaders added to this team this year can hold some guys accountable, bc make no mistake nylander when he's 'on' could easily be a 40 goal scorer imo
Dec. 2, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
Nylander's gotta get some more consistency, he even admitted himself the coach has to kick his ass sometimes to get him going

Hopefully some of the leaders added to this team this year can hold some guys accountable, bc make no mistake nylander when he's 'on' could easily be a 40 goal scorer imo


I 100% agree! With the right push he could be fantastic. Maybe vocal leadership in Thornton will be a difference maker.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.
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Seems like a bad trade for the Leafs. Three young NHLers with plenty of years of control for a declining Doughty.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.
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Kings decline and please explain how he is on the decline.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 12:11 p.m.
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As a Kings fan, I agree!
Dec. 2, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Trevorchef
If that is your analysis... Clearly, you don't get it.

One more for the ignore list. Best of luck to you moving forward.

And....... Bu-Bye!!


Add me too. I always welcome being blocked by someone who doesn't know anything about Doughty.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
Kings decline and please explain how he is on the decline.


Ziggy I would say based solely on stats from last 2 years he is on decline... but given what he's had to work with in LA it would be tough to argue. Ray Bourque would have been a minus on the Kings.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
Ziggy I would say based solely on stats from last 2 years he is on decline... but given what he's had to work with in LA it would be tough to argue. Ray Bourque would have been a minus on the Kings.


I've seen you talk about Doughty on here and you seem to be one of the few that still likes Doughty so I respect that.

Doughty is not on the decline. Not only has he had a horrible team, but he's also had bottom pair D as partners for 4 years Derek Forbort, Joakim Ryan, and Ben Hutton lol. He hasn't had a good D partner since Robyn Regehr lol. He was rarely paired with McNabb, Muzzin, and Martinez for depth purposes.

No sense in talking about 18-19 so we'll talk about 19-20. Doughty is not on the decline and here's why:
Doughty had 5 points in 5 games 5 times last year as well as 6 points in 5 games once. He was the best defenseman on the ice when he played playoff teams and rival teams. See the Calgary games. His problem was not giving effort in the games that didn't matter like other rebuilding teams. Hence why he had a lot of hot and cold streaks.

You and everyone else will see him improve next year and be just as good as prime Doughty the year after that. Don't take my word, just watch and see.
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