Not a fan of this at all

I'm not convinced Detroit wants to spend anymore money than they are already. Id do this deal if I could flip killorn to someone for a pick and not retain any cash.

Red Wings are fleecin

Tampa accepts since they need to clear cap and they clear 11mil assuming Cernak sign for around 2mil but I’m not sure Detroit wants to take on that much cap though Killorn isn’t an overpayment unlike Johnson

I like it. Cernak to Detroit is better than lost to Seattle, who doesn't deserve someone like Cernak. Add Erne and a 5th for Tampa if possible and I'm pen to paper.

I’d easily do this from Detroit. I’m really curious if Chris Illitch is willing to open his wallet though.

What's going back to Tampa? Just the cap space?

See the thing is, now that Detroit has Johnson and Killorn, they are no longer cap dumps in trade talks because Detroit doesnt actively need cap space and they can actually flip them for value. I think this is an easy accept from them

Can always flip Killorn to a contender at the trade deadline.

Would Erne be someone you would send back?
Not sure if JBB would want him back, but be could be useful for us assuming Coleman will be lost in FA after the season.

You can have Erne back. Please take him back.

Yeah he did not look to have a good year with you all. Could probably get back to his previous form with us hopefully.

Detroit has so many forwards. He's expendable really. He's Stevie's boy though. Drafted him in the 2nd round. I just don't see any upside with Erne.

This is an interesting trade. Sergachev can play the right, so 1RD is a possibility with him. It leaves a hole at the 2RD position though. Re-sign Cirelli and potentially go after Hamonic? He's a western Canada guy, but in this environment we can't rule anything out.

what form

That’s not how that works.

I mean, it kind of is. Johnson is still a pretty serviceable middle 6 guy, and you would most likely have to retain on him to get a bit, but Im sure that if it wouldnt be directly helping the defending champs, more teams would be calling about him. Same goes for Killorn That or you could keep them and use them in a year or 2 to try and compete again when guys like Raymond and Zadina are full time

By retaining on TJ/Killorn you’re increasing their value as you lower AAV and actual cash.

What you initially said implies that then Detroit could flip both of them for futures and essentially get free assets without any retention. So why wouldn’t that third team that ends up with TJ/Killorn just deal directly with TB? Or they just initially put a waiver claim on TJ?

They probably wouldnt deal with TB directly because nobody wants to help out the defending champs and TB isnt really in any position to retain on a long term contract like TJ. It would be pretty enticing for Detroit to get Cernak, a 1st, and whatever other "good young player" comes along with the package along with the assets they can get from flipping the veterans

Just like no one wanted to deal with the Blackhawks not so long ago? I’m not saying Detroit wouldn’t pull the trigger on this deal, as I’ve been pretty vocal this deal favors Detroit. I’m just saying your statement that their values would increase as if the league has a bias against TB is a little flawed. They are both NHL quality players albeit overpaid, slightly in Killorn’s case and much more TJ’s case. Like I responded their value comes up when you lower their AAV/Cash through retention but that is costly on Detroit’s end as you can only have 3 retained players at any given time (which maybe needed at TDL to facilitate a trade) and you pay the % retained in cash & AAV. So if you were to elaborate on your initial post about they wouldn’t be cap dumps because Detroit would retain a portion to fetch a decent future than that I can buy but the way you originally wrote it seems like the league has a bias against TBL.

Oh, yeah, I meant it more as nobody was gonna help them out for free because theyre dumping cap, not just as a bias against them.