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Marner Needs to go

Created by: lilmike2905
Initial Creation Date: Dec 4, 2020
Published: Dec 4, 2020 at 8:41
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I think this trade makes sense because The Leafs get Cap Relief and Nashville gets an amazing 90 point winger who can help Duchene get back to where they were before and the leafs get a good winger who is cheaper and the leafs get a STUD goalie prospect because their goalie pool isn't great imo
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Greene, Andy1$900,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Forsberg, Filip
  2. Askarov, Yaroslav [Reserve List]
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
NSH
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$77,221,741$0$2,000,000$4,278,259
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NSH
Forsberg, Filip
$6,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Greene, Andy
$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Dec 4, 2020 at 8:43
#1
The Leafs Are Baaack
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Great, another player to sign in two years.
Dec 4, 2020 at 8:45
#2
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First: No he doesn't

Second: The deal isn't bad, Id be more interested if Askarov was ready to go when Freddy's out the door but obviously he's not either way Nashville still has to add imo
Dec 4, 2020 at 8:48
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Quoting: yaronzo
First: No he doesn't

Second: The deal isn't bad, Id be more interested if Askarov was ready to go when Freddy's out the door but obviously he's not either way Nashville still has to add imo


They have to add? Nashville is not doing that deal as is. Their future starter is not worth the upgrade from Forsberg to Marner
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Dec 4, 2020 at 8:52
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
They have to add? Nashville is not doing that deal as is. Their future starter is not worth the upgrade from Forsberg to Marner


This is why every Marner trade posted on here is pointless, everyone wants the leafs to move their 90-100 point winger but doesn't want to give up anything in return based solely on the fact that he's overpaid, But hey if its Rantanen being traded well everyone will give up the moon and the stars for him because he makes 1 mill less
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:12
#5
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Quoting: yaronzo
This is why every Marner trade posted on here is pointless, everyone wants the leafs to move their 90-100 point winger but doesn't want to give up anything in return based solely on the fact that he's overpaid, But hey if its Rantanen being traded well everyone will give up the moon and the stars for him because he makes 1 mill less


Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:20
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I disagree. I don't believe Marner needs to go at all. Dubas has put together a roster by keeping the big 4 there, addressed some toughness and upgraded the D with the Brodie signing. All of this under a flat cap which was not the assumption when he committed to those big contracts. Most teams are facing serious cash problems, the Leafs likely not immune from that either but they aren't even considering trading Marner or any of their top guys if the return doesn't significantly make them better.
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:25
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...


Dude both Matthews and Marner are both in their early 20's give them a chance at least

Sorry that 47 goals and 80 points in 70 games for Matthews and Marners 94 point season arent good enough for you yet

Guess we just gotta be so bad that we luck into like 5 draft lottery wins and then luck into a generation talent smh
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:34
#8
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Quoting: yaronzo
Dude both Matthews and Marner are both in their early 20's give them a chance at least

Sorry that 47 goals and 80 points in 70 games for Matthews and Marners 94 point season arent good enough for you yet

Guess we just gotta be so bad that we luck into like 5 draft lottery wins and then luck into a generation talent smh


Didn't you guys tank for Matthews? LOL let's call a spade a spade here. I didn't say they aren't good players. They're great. Marner should have signed for around 9.5 IMHO though as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal and went from entry level to making what he does now. Correct me if i'm wrong but he signed that after his 69 point season? 9.5 would have been a fair deal imo. Matthews is worth every penny. no doubt. Tavares hasn't done anything in his career and doesn't deserve over 8.5M...
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:36
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Didn't you guys tank for Matthews? LOL let's call a spade a spade here. I didn't say they aren't good players. They're great. Marner should have signed for around 9.5 IMHO though as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal and went from entry level to making what he does now. Correct me if i'm wrong but he signed that after his 69 point season? 9.5 would have been a fair deal imo. Matthews is worth every penny. no doubt. Tavares hasn't done anything in his career and doesn't deserve over 8.5M...


If if's and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:44
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
They have to add? Nashville is not doing that deal as is. Their future starter is not worth the upgrade from Forsberg to Marner


Have to agree here. Forsberg is underrated and younger than it seems he should be. I don't think Nashville would pull the trigger here. They are better off adding to their forward group via a different route (free agency or adding more complementary players via trade).
Dec 4, 2020 at 9:55
#11
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...


Yeah, literally none of this is going to happen.
Dec 4, 2020 at 10:00
#12
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Quoting: Barilko14
Yeah, literally none of this is going to happen.


Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...
Dec 4, 2020 at 10:08
#13
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...


Leafs have added two legit top 4 dmen since the contracts were signed (Leafs biggest weakness). I'm really not that concerned that Kappy had to go (got a great return) and Robertson was going to make Johnsson expendable if not this year then next. So I don't see any hinderance yet.
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Dec 4, 2020 at 10:33
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This is a bad deal for Nashville.
THey grab a potential future #1 G in the draft and deal him, along with a really good winger for Marner who is good but makes way too much money
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Dec 4, 2020 at 10:54
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If I'm predators, I'm not making this deal. I think Marner would look great as a predator, but I would rather keep Forsberg. Imo if Forsberg were traded for Marner it would be a 1 for 1, maybe Leafs add because of salary.
Dec 4, 2020 at 11:10
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Quoting: yaronzo
First: No he doesn't

Second: The deal isn't bad, Id be more interested if Askarov was ready to go when Freddy's out the door but obviously he's not either way Nashville still has to add imo


Quoting: OutCold13
If I'm predators, I'm not making this deal. I think Marner would look great as a predator, but I would rather keep Forsberg. Imo if Forsberg were traded for Marner it would be a 1 for 1, maybe Leafs add because of salary.


r u an idiot if the leafs did forsberg and manner 1 for 1 dubas will get fired
Dec 4, 2020 at 11:19
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Quoting: lilmike2905
r u an idiot if the leafs did forsberg and manner 1 for 1 dubas will get fired


R u an idiot? If Predators took your deal Poile would never work in hockey again.
1. Chill your harsh.
2. Come to the realization that the rest of the NHL isn't here to supplement the Leafs.
3. As most people have come to realize, Leafs players have pumped up offensive numbers, because of a talented roster and a aggressive offensive system. Forsberg in Toronto would be amazing. Marner with the Preds wouldn't be the same as Marner with the Leafs.
Dec 4, 2020 at 11:57
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Edited Dec 4, 2020 at 12:04
Quoting: YEGBRAD
Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...


Quoting: yaronzo
Dude both Matthews and Marner are both in their early 20's give them a chance at least

Sorry that 47 goals and 80 points in 70 games for Matthews and Marners 94 point season arent good enough for you yet

Guess we just gotta be so bad that we luck into like 5 draft lottery wins and then luck into a generation talent smh


Quoting: Barilko14
Yeah, literally none of this is going to happen.


Quoting: YEGBRAD
Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...


silly dubas, paying good players to be good
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also, cap-management scolding is a bit rich coming from an oilers fan lol

let's play a game, which option do you want taking up 40% of your salary cap until AT LEAST 2023-24

A:
matthews 4 yrs (23) marner 5yrs (23) tavares 5 yrs (30)

B:
McDavid 6yrs (23) Draisaitl 5yrs (25) James Neal 3yrs (33) zach kassian 4yrs (29) + 2.5x1yr then 1.5x2yrs for sekera's buyout, the 1.3 from the pouliot buyout AND the $750Kx3yrs retained on lucic
Dec 4, 2020 at 12:13
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
silly dubas, paying good players to be good
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also, cap-management scolding is a bit rich coming from an oilers fan lol

let's play a game, which option do you want taking up 40% of your salary cap until AT LEAST 2023-24

A:
matthews 4 yrs (23) marner 5yrs (23) tavares 5 yrs (30)

B:
McDavid 6yrs (23) Draisaitl 5yrs (25) James Neal 3yrs (33) zach kassian 4yrs (29) + 2.5x1yr then 1.5x2yrs for sekera's buyout, the 1.3 from the pouliot buyout AND the $750Kx3yrs retained on lucic


That's not even the same comparrison. Who is talking about Neal, Kassian, or the Oilers buyout history? LOL that came outta nowhere. Could have said Oilers 40% McD, Drai, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Bear, Jones, Broberg, Bouchard...LOL

Also how is it rich coming from an Oilers fan? I admitted we have our own issues but at least we've seen the 2nd round recently, oh and the cup finals more recently than you, oh and the Stanley Cup, oh and a 50 goal scorer, and a 100P scorer...Toronto has the least amount of crap to talk out of the entire NHL.

You guys get so salty and can't ever back anything up when other teams fans call you out. You can post your stats I never once said Marner and Matthews weren't good. In fact I said from the start Matthews is a beast. I also said IN MY OPINION Marner should be making 9.5ish as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal after a 69 point season and got a big payday with no resume. If you disagree that's fine you're allowed to.

Take a breather and calm down geez. nobody hates the Toronto Maple Leafs. We all just hate Toronto Maple Leaf fans...
Dec 4, 2020 at 12:15
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
silly dubas, paying good players to be good
49aac68d2928a2e7f438696730ca8f7d.pngc337c8009e6fd745fdb94ce3f78baf03.png


also, cap-management scolding is a bit rich coming from an oilers fan lol

let's play a game, which option do you want taking up 40% of your salary cap until AT LEAST 2023-24

A:
matthews 4 yrs (23) marner 5yrs (23) tavares 5 yrs (30)

B:
McDavid 6yrs (23) Draisaitl 5yrs (25) James Neal 3yrs (33) zach kassian 4yrs (29) + 2.5x1yr then 1.5x2yrs for sekera's buyout, the 1.3 from the pouliot buyout AND the $750Kx3yrs retained on lucic


There's the charts I've been waiting for
Dec 4, 2020 at 12:26
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nick foligno enjoyer
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
That's not even the same comparrison. Who is talking about Neal, Kassian, or the Oilers buyout history? LOL that came outta nowhere. Could have said Oilers 40% McD, Drai, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Bear, Jones, Broberg, Bouchard...LOL

Also how is it rich coming from an Oilers fan? I admitted we have our own issues but at least we've seen the 2nd round recently, oh and the cup finals more recently than you, oh and the Stanley Cup, oh and a 50 goal scorer, and a 100P scorer...Toronto has the least amount of crap to talk out of the entire NHL.

You guys get so salty and can't ever back anything up when other teams fans call you out. You can post your stats I never once said Marner and Matthews weren't good. In fact I said from the start Matthews is a beast. I also said IN MY OPINION Marner should be making 9.5ish as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal after a 69 point season and got a big payday with no resume. If you disagree that's fine you're allowed to.

Take a breather and calm down geez. nobody hates the Toronto Maple Leafs. We all just hate Toronto Maple Leaf fans...


my point being you have some seriously god awful contracts on your books. one's that are ACTUALLY unmoveable and you are 'stuck with'.

the leaf's worst contract is kerfoot who's a viable 3C/top 6 winger

you can count tavares I guess, but he's a top 15-20 goal scorer so idk lol

also marner had 94 points and finished 3rd in primary assists before he signed his contract

you say he should be getting 9.5 but the closest comparable is rantanen, who marner far outpaces in points and playmaking ability + defensive play

marner is slightly overpaid yes, but again, you guys gave a 51 then 77 point guy who was a heavy minus player 8.5 for 7 years (equivalent to like 9.1 in today's cap). That contracted was laughed at endlessly until draisaitl finally broke out.

also haha you guys made the second round yes, sick burn. It was your only playoff appearance since 2005 lol

also take a breather? I'm not mad lol. I'm just pointing out it's better to have 3 big contracts on excellent players than have 22% of the cap tied up in effectively dead weight, bottom end players
Dec 4, 2020 at 2:14
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...


I forgot that when Oilers players win season awards they're instantly awarded the Stanley Cup as well.
 
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