Dang. I am pure Oilers but this trade would actually be good for both teams. The Battle of Alberta intensifies again.

Gaudreau > nylander but Willy has more term and Toronto doesn’t need Johnny Hockey

I'm not sure I buy the first half of your comment but I sure as hell subscribe to the back half.

I mean Johnny hockey has put up some crazy numbers on Calgary while being the #1 guy there. Willy would never put up 99 points or have a hart caliber season like gaudreau could.

the leafs arnt trading Nylander for another forward of similar impacts, especially an older one with significantly less term that barely saves them any cash

Both of them have been bitterly criticised (unfairly, in my opinion) for their perceived playoff failures, but I think Nylander is still on the upside of his career, whereas it looks like Johnny has plateaued -- albeit at a very high level, of course.

I think gaudreau's offensive ceiling is a decent bit higher points wise

Johnny G has put up 99 points..just in 18-19 too, In the NHL’s last full season. I mean come on, that’s elite sh*t. I’m not saying Johnny G is one of the elite NHL players, but Nylander is only known for his offense too and will never even hit 80 points. Both are soft and arnt good two-way players. Neither will dig a puck out of the corner. So it’s a wash there. So basically, it’s who’s better offensively. And that is clearly Johnny G. Not even a question.

Tor don't need Gaudreau.

In 6 full seasons and 464 games Johhny G has recorded 78 hits..lol. That’s 1 hit every 6 games..lol. Nylander has played 5 seasons and 307 games and has recorded 76 hits!! That’s 1 hit every 4 games..alittle better..lol.

Their play-off failures might be over blown or they might get unfairly knocked for it. But them being 2 of the softest players in the NHL is very fair. Same with neither playing defense and I’ve even seen Nylander stand by the blue line and cherry pick!! Nylander 67 blocks in those 307 games. Johnny G, isn’t terribly better at 92 blocks in 464 games. And granted I’ve seen a lot more Nylander(and east coast hockey) than Johnny G(and west coast hockey) but I’ve rarely ever seen a NHL player do the cherry picking Nylander does in the defensive zone.

I wouldn't bet on that.

I would!! A.Matthews hasn’t even had 99
Points in a season. Nylander defiantly won’t do that. Nylander on the 2nd PP unit, 80 points in a season..lol. Good luck!!

Jonathan Stickpuck would look good on the Leafs but I'd rather have Nylander around.

Not a fan of retaining on him too. His contract isn't outlandish.

I feel the exact same way. Only because Johnny has lost his game lately though.

They are 23 and 24, they can still improve and I believe they will respectively hit 100 and 80 points eventually.

Ya, I think Matthews will get 100. But I was getting at Matthews is 3 times the player, scorer, playmaker Nylander is and hasn’t gotten 99 point yet. And like I said, Nylander definitely won’t get there like Johnny G did. And I’d be willing to bet my house with everything I own in it, that Nylander doesnt get 80 points in a season with the Leafs. If he goes somewhere else. Maybe, I would give it more of a chance. But no chance in Toronto.

You don't know Nylander as well as you think you do.

He's the best fwd on the Leafs in transition, he may have cherry picked in some game you watched once, doesn't mean he's constantly doing it.

He also is on PP1. He's the net front option on the PP, which helped him lead the league in goals from in tight.

80 pt season is 100% attainable for him. He was on pace for 71 this season, and that was with Babcock trying to turn the whole team into grinders "dump and chase" hockey for first half of the season.

Yes, that’s what I said. Of course he’s one of the best Leafs in transition. He doesn’t fight for the puck in corners. Or ever try to dig out a puck on the boards. And he waits for open ice. Please man, don’t try to tell me does. I’ve seen a enough Leafs games to know that. And everyone knows that. He’s known to be of if the softest players in the NHL. And stats even prove that.

Who plays on the leafs 1st unit PP..?? Rielly at Point, Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Hyman on PP1. Sometimes Nylander. And he defiantly doesn’t play in front of the net on the PP. Nylamder won’t get 80 points in a season. Like I said, I’d be willing to bet a lot of money on that. I wish we could. I would take that bet everyday of week and twice of Sundays. And give u odds. And He’s
Not a good defender at all, he’s soft. He won’t ever gets a lot of minutes in a tight game against the other team’s top line b/c of that.

PP1 for majority of 19/20 - Barrie top, Matthews side wall, Marner side wall, Tavares middle/bumper and Nylander net front. This is fairly common knowledge. Once MacFarland took over PP coaching duties this year, he loaded up the first unit.

Hyman doesn't always get PP time, he was part of a steady rotation on PP2.

You do realize there's more to defence then blocking shots and grinding pucks out of corners right?

The fact your so deadset on Nylander not being able to add approx 10 more pts to the pace he played at last year is pretty funny. He's just coming into his peak.

Nope. Don’t think so. good luck!! How can we bet?? U want to put $100 somehow in some escrow and after 6 years if he doesn’t get 80 points, then I get it. If he scores next year, u can take it. Or the year after that. It’s good to be positive though man!! It’s great!! I just dont see it. And it just delusional to say Nylander is a good two-way player..lol..really it is. It’s so obviously your favorite team bias, b/c it’s so crazy to say that. That no one would claim, not even 90% of leafs fans would say he’s a good-two way player. Deep down u can’t even believe it. and I said the stats prove he’s soft. Yes hits and blocks prove he is soft..I’ll look at his analytics and see what they r like..this should be fun..lol

What does soft have to do with defence???

Do you know who Nik Lidstrom is??

Lol.. really..Go look at Lindstrom’s stats.. u think he had 1 hit every 4 games..lol.. ok man. I’m done.. ya, being soft has nothing to do with defense?? Lol.. come one man. Seriously?? No, playing the puck in the corners and digging pucks out and hitting players and forechecking has nothing to do with defense..lol.

He had 50ish hits per year, in the era that Scott Stevens was seen as King. Not sure if you know this, but there was a lot more hitting/fighting when Lidstrom played. He was 100% labelled as soft when he started, didn't get much recognition until it was abundantly clear he was the best dman in the game. His main talent at defending was his stick.

Also if forechecking is part of defence, then the fact the puck is going in the right direction way more when Nylander is in the ice then most players, must be part of defence as well.

Nylander will never win a Selke (wingers never do anyways), but he's strong at zone exits, zone entries and he's got a very active stick, causing takeaways. He'd likely be the best on the team at takeaways if Matthews wasn't on the team (Matthews is top 2 or 3 in the league).

Lol. Again, Leafs bias is so strong. Mathews in not 2nd, 3rd best defensive forward in the league. All his Selke votes?? Toronto was 28th in GA last year. If they had this strong of forward defense, they would not have been that bad. This is just crazy. Tanev/Blueger/ZAR, the penguins whole forth line had as many Selke votes as Matthews last year.

Takeaways my friend. He's one of the best in the league at takeaways. Him and M.Stone.