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Quoting: Canadianape

no they dont. that's an underpayment for hanifin

It really isn’t. He just isn’t that good. It’s an overpay.

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Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Gofnut999

He’s healthy

Healthy? The man just had 69 knee surgeries

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:52 p.m.

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Tkachuk and Monahan should not be on the same line

ya that was a missclick mangiapane and tkachuk should be swapped

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:54 p.m.

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Quoting: BenjaminWalder

Hanifin's +/- ranking is higher than guys like Thomas Chabot, Drew Doughty, Erik Karlsson and Oskar Klefbom

+/- a flawed stat. Chabot, Karlsson and Klefbom were all better than Hanifin last season. Only Doughty was worse. Hanifin was also 3rd among those four in terms of quality of competition and had the 2nd best quality of teammates. Flames were also better than OTT/LAK and had the 2nd best defense among those four teams.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:54 p.m.

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Quoting: BenjaminWalder

Healthy? The man just had 69 knee surgeries

Why do you think they re-signed him? Because he was not ready to play? 🙄 If he could not pass the physical he would not have been signed. By all reports he is ready for camp.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:54 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Hahahahahaha

That's an overpay for a 2nd pair D.

This is just out of curiosity, If a team offered you a late 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Carlo would you take it?

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:57 p.m.

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Quoting: Canadianape

The guy is a 30 point defenseman and hes played in a 2nd pairing role his whole career.
He is being groomed to be the defenseman that runs the powerplay.
Hes not the best defensive defenseman in the league but hes still above average in that category
hes locked up at an incredibly cheap rate for the next 4 seasons
hes played almost 400 games and hes only 23. hes at least 4 years from his peak and hes already that good.

now lets talk about why Boston would want him
Hes a boston Native
Boston is very weak on the left side. Hanifin easily takes top spot on that roster giving him the opportunity to play top line minutes and improve on all of the things I said above
Grezelcyk is good but hes definitely not even close to top pairing material
in this trade you are giving up futures for a team that is in win now mode. not losing any nhl assets. previous rumors had both carlo and debrusk coming back to Calgary for hanifin +

You don't get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for an average 2nd pair D. $4.95M is cheap for a second pair D? Not really, it's just fair. " Boston native " doesn't change much for me, I just want the best player.

Not many reasons to overpay him here

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:58 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

You don't get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for an average 2nd pair D. $4.95M is cheap for a second pair D? Not really, it's just fair. " Boston native " doesn't change much for me, I just want the best player.

Not many reasons to overpay him here

lots of people disagreeing with you here buddy maybe do some self reflection and ponder the idea that you could be wrong on Hanifins value

Dec. 8, 2020 at 8:59 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

You don't get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for an average 2nd pair D. $4.95M is cheap for a second pair D? Not really, it's just fair. " Boston native " doesn't change much for me, I just want the best player.

Not many reasons to overpay him here

hes also a top pairing defenseman on most of the teams in the league including the bruins

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:00 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

This is just out of curiosity, If a team offered you a late 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Carlo would you take it?

Value-wise, we win the trade. At the same time, we're in a win-mode now and trading Carlo creates a hole. We can replace it by trading those picks but there aren't that many good second pair D available in the league. If you have a name for me, I could answer.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:02 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Value-wise, we win the trade. At the same time, we're in a win-mode now and trading Carlo creates a hole. We can replace it by trading those picks but there aren't that many good second pair D available in the league. If you have a name for me, I could answer.

I was just asking value wise. Personally I don't think that price for Hanifin is unreasonable but I also see him as a #2 caliber potential player. I think we will have a better look at what he is capable of this year when he's not glued to Hamonic for nearly an entire season.

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Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:04 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Value-wise, we win the trade. At the same time, we're in a win-mode now and trading Carlo creates a hole. We can replace it by trading those picks but there aren't that many good second pair D available in the league. If you have a name for me, I could answer.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so your not interested in any trades......ok you should have just said that it would have saved me a lot of time.

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Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Canadianape

hes also a top pairing defenseman on most of the teams in the league including the bruins

ANA-Lindholm/Fowler
ARI-OEL/Chychrun
BUF-Dahlin
CAR-Slavin
COL-Girard/Toews
CBJ-Werenski/Gavrikov
DAL-Heiskanen
FLA-Weegar
MIN-Suter/Brodin
NSH-Josi/Ekholm
NYI-Pelech
OTT-Chabot
PHI-Provorov
PIT-Dumoulin
STL-Krug
TBL-Hedman/McDonagh/Sergachev
TOR-Rielly/Muzzin/Brodie
VAN-Hughes
VGK-Theodore
WSH-Orlov
WPG-Morrissey

Maybe Boston, Edmonton depending on pairings.

This leaves Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Montreal, New Jersey, NY Rangers, San Jose.
7-9 teams he would play on the top pair.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:09 p.m.

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Quoting: Canadianape

lots of people disagreeing with you here buddy maybe do some self reflection and ponder the idea that you could be wrong on Hanifins value

Easy, 3/4 are Flames fans. Two other people/Bruins fans also agreed with me.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:09 p.m.

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Quoting: BenjaminWalder

Hanifin's +/- ranking is higher than guys like Thomas Chabot, Drew Doughty, Erik Karlsson and Oskar Klefbom

That’s a rough argument. He was -12 on a good team. Next to last on his team.

He’s a 25-30 point d man that has never exceeded 90 hits or blocks. His GV/TK are pedestrian. Does not play PP1 or PK1. Not sure why you label him an LD1. He does not grade out as one. Maybe his draft slot? But that is meaningless. The potential is there. And it would certainly upgrade the left side for Boston. But without salary going back they can’t do it. And i’m not paying a premium price simply for his draft slot.

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Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:13 p.m.

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That opinion I agree about, what do u think they would target if it doesn't pan out?

Hard to tell. Personally, I would like McNabb or Nemeth if I look at realistic options. There were rumors they were on Weegar but that was before his arbitration case/I think Florida will keep him. They missed on Toews/Schmidt which is unfortunate. The best scenario would be that our young players work out so all this development pay off + we don't give up any asset + they're under $1M = cap savings.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:16 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

ANA-Lindholm/Fowler
ARI-OEL/Chychrun
BUF-Dahlin
CAR-Slavin
COL-Girard/Toews
CBJ-Werenski/Gavrikov
DAL-Heiskanen
FLA-Weegar
MIN-Suter/Brodin
NSH-Josi/Ekholm
NYI-Pelech
OTT-Chabot
PHI-Provorov
PIT-Dumoulin
STL-Krug
TBL-Hedman/McDonagh/Sergachev
TOR-Rielly/Muzzin/Brodie
VAN-Hughes
VGK-Theodore
WSH-Orlov
WPG-Morrissey

Maybe Boston, Edmonton depending on pairings.

This leaves Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Montreal, New Jersey, NY Rangers, San Jose.
7-9 teams he would play on the top pair.

you honestly think pelech, dumolin, orlov, Morrissey, weeger and Chychrun are better than hanifin.

Your either lying or deluded

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Gofnut999

That’s a rough argument. He was -12 on a good team. Next to last on his team.

He’s a 25-30 point d man that has never exceeded 90 hits or blocks. His GV/TK are pedestrian. Does not play PP1 or PK1. Not sure why you label him an LD1. He does not grade out as one. Maybe his draft slot? But that is meaningless. The potential is there. And it would certainly upgrade the left side for Boston. But without salary going back they can’t do it. And i’m not paying a premium price simply for his draft slot.

ah yes the two bruins fans disagreeing with everyone else. they must be right

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Easy, 3/4 are Flames fans. Two other people/Bruins fans also agreed with me.

Ok. The only reason Hanifin ain't a first pair defensman is cuz of Gio. Hanifin and McAvoy is a pretty decent first pairing. It's also going to effeciently work in a shutdown role and Hanifin can be a good powerplay quarterback for Boston

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Canadianape

you honestly think pelech, dumolin, orlov, Morrissey, weeger and Chychrun are better than hanifin.

Your either lying or deluded

They're all better. You should watch other teams than Flames.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:19 p.m.

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Quoting: Canadianape

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so your not interested in any trades......ok you should have just said that it would have saved me a lot of time.

Ive often criticized this particular poster for just rejecting every notion of a trade, but his logic actually makes perfect sense here.
1. Scenario one, doesn’t want to overpay for hanifin.
2. Scenario two, doesn’t make sense for a team in win now mode to trade a key player for picks.

I disagree with him a lot, but i agree with him here. Mostly because i think hanifin is very overrated, and i actually disagree with you. I think he would be second pair on the bruins behind grzelcyk.

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Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:20 p.m.

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Quoting: BenjaminWalder

Ok. The only reason Hanifin ain't a first pair defensman is cuz of Gio. Hanifin and McAvoy is a pretty decent first pairing. It's also going to effeciently work in a shutdown role and Hanifin can be a good powerplay quarterback for Boston

That's not the problem. I know Hanifin is good, it's the value in this trade; a 1st, 2nd and 3rd is too much for him.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:20 p.m.

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Quoting: BenjaminWalder

Ok. The only reason Hanifin ain't a first pair defensman is cuz of Gio. Hanifin and McAvoy is a pretty decent first pairing. It's also going to effeciently work in a shutdown role and Hanifin can be a good powerplay quarterback for Boston

It’s because he isn’t good enough to be a first pairing d man on a good team. He’s a fine player. He’s paid fairly for a second pair guy.

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:20 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Ive often criticized this particular poster for just rejecting every notion of a trade, but his logic actually makes perfect sense here.
1. Scenario one, doesn’t want to overpay for hanifin.
2. Scenario two, doesn’t make sense for a team in win now mode to trade a key player for picks.

I disagree with him a lot, but i agree with him here. Mostly because i think hanifin is very overrated, and i actually disagree with you. I think he would be second pair on the bruins behind grzelcyk.

every stat and the majority of people disagree with the idea that grz is a better player than hanifin but your welcome to your opinion

Dec. 8, 2020 at 9:20 p.m.

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