Not a good argument. Chara and ekman larsson received Norris votes after the 18-19 season. That should tell you all you need to know.

analytics man had a pretty good article on hughes rookie season: https://jfresh.substack.com/p/breaking-down-jack-hughes-disappointing

one the reasons was that he had abysmal puck luck

Okay I’ll revert back to the, “literally everyone disagrees with you,” argument.

It’s like the analytic crowd is just on a mission to ruin how unique a sport hockey is.

actually click on the article. he backs up a lot his points with footage

Are you actually upset that someone is analyzing a sport?

No , most people who watch Seth Jones realize that he has a flashy skillset but isn’t effective enough to be put in the elite category. Just watch the games and you’ll see.

Yeah it was hard to produce when you have Miles Wood and Wayne Simmons as your linemates. I feel like people aren't talking about Kakko's horrible season that was even worse than Hughes's

The whole thing where everything that happens has to be linked back to the Rangers is getting old. As is the dump on Miles Wood thing. Jack wasn't physically ready to play in the NHL. That wouldn't change with different linemates.

Probably have seen him over 100 games the last five years. Got a pretty good look at him in the playoffs the last three years. Best player on the ice most nights. Anyway, i see no point in further discussing how you think 2+2=Dalmatian

Both had pretty abysmal seasons given their draft ranking, and it's fairly uncommon that happens. Both probably could've stayed out of the NHL for another season, honestly.

The fools listening to him are annoying. Reducing puck luck to numbers gets it to the point of why are you even watching the game.

We don’t agree on much... but here we do.

Bingo!

I agree. I don't blame Jack for wanting to get paid, either. In the NHL if you go 1-1, you start right away.

What’s your reasoning for WPG not making that trade

Simple laine>Hughes and wog is giving up two young players with him. I’m not a huge Laine fan but he is top 5 shot in the keague and a pure sniper. Hughes is meh. Tried to say that before he was drafted but no one wanted to listen.

I agree with that. First overall picks are usually rushed to the NHL. Hughes should have played one year in college. When Hughes was in the NHL tho, I would have liked to see him play with Hall (before trade), Gusev, or Palms to try to boost his point total and confidence

You probably get caught up in how good he looks skating up the ice but fail to realize it often leads to nothing. When I watch Seth Jones play, I see a defenseman that gets hemmed in his own zone for a while - then he regains possession , looks dynamic carrying the puck into the offensive zone....and then nothing happens. Rinse and repeat.

Because understanding the game from both a visual and analytical perspective gives better insight into how players and teams perform. It's much more interesting and invoking to look into why Jack Hughes had a poor season than calling him a bust because he didn't put up 60 points.

I'm sorry you're so bothered that people actually want to enjoy and understand hockey beyond zoning in and out of it watching it on their TV.

Teams (and especially goalies) have figured Laine out. He’s still a good goal scorer, but not elite. He’s pretty much a younger mike Hoffman.

Hughes had an underwhelming rookie season, but a lot of that had to do with his strength and play in his own end, things that he can work on. You can’t teach his puck skills and transition play. He’ll end up being barzal 2.0

Laine had a down season for goals, trying to play a bit more complete. You can teach transition... you can’t teach that shot. And Hoffman?? C’mon. Yeah there are some similarities to their dimension but Laine is wayyyy better. If Hughes wants to be the next Barzal he better work on his speed. That is Barzal’s a best talent. I see Hughes as a 50 point player in a couple of years. Just my opinion though.

He’s regressed over the last two seasons and he hasn’t gotten any better defensively. The jets constantly get outshot when Laine is on the ice. He’s a very good player, but he’s not elite. He’s not on the same level as an ovechkin/pastrnak/matthews.

Hughes skating was great IMO - he cut through a defense a bunch of times to go on a breakaway. The most noticeable thing to me was he was always getting knocked off pucks. It looks like he put on weight this summer so I’d expect him to be at a 50 pt pace this season

Agree that he isn’t elite. He’s still a good sniper. I mean when a guy regresses to 28 goals and 63 points in 68 games it isn’t exactly horrible lol. I think there is an issue with him in Winnipeg. I really believe that is atleast part of the reason.

No doubt he’s a good player, but it’s highly unlikely he’s better than Hughes in a few years. I think WPG actually makes him look better than he actually is. He plays with a lot of talented passers/finishers. Points don’t tell the whole story with Laine.

Laine has gotten way better defensively, he was a much better all round player last season, got more assists then goals and was better defensively then his linemates, his 18-19 season was mostly a struggle but 19-20 definitely wasn't a regression from his first two seasons.