Rangers, please never accept this trade. Mika Zibanejad is my lord and savior.

NMC

Here we go again *rolls eyes*

I'm not a Hoffman fan at all, so I think this is much worse.

As a Leafs fan I don't believe that the cap crunch has anything to do with any of the big 4. The contracts only look as troubling as they do because of the flat cap which nobody could have predicted. With Seattle expansion coming and additional league revenues, all of those contracts would look somewhat better than they do now. As someone who struggled cheering for the team through the Jason Blake days, I'm content with having superstars on the team and exciting hockey to watch. Who knows where the young kids development would be without Tavares leadership. I think he's worth every penny.

And, to be completely honest... I think a lot of Leaf fans understand the situation a great deal better than you based on the scheme you've cooked up here.

The cap trouble they are in is related to a global pandemic. The same thing happening to 10-15 other teams in the league.

What does that trade have to do with anything?

This is awful for us. Currently I’m taking Mika over Tavares, plus his contract is half of Tavares. Then you want one of our best defense prospects and a first and second to top it off. No thanks, we’re good without getting worse in the long term (both cap and playing wise).

You could've stopped at Mika and it would've been a no... lol.

When you have a chance to sign a John Tavares type of player, hometown boy and leadership presence for the young guns, you do it.

When sign, I don't remember any hockey insider saying the Leafs shouldn't have done that.

Tavares has a NMC, Zibanejad has a NMC, and I can see both exercising them. I don't like arguing NTC/NMC, but this time it's just too apparent.

On the chance they did accept to be traded, Toronto runs with this deal, and sets themselves up for a legitimate chance at the cup with that extra cap space.

This is pretty rough all the way around.

No, Duck Pond, I don't think you understand. Paying Tavares 11m....and getting him for free wasn't a mistake. It was overpaying the three RFAs a total of 4.5m which was the mistake. Leafs had control over those players and had no reason to pay them "hometown premium".
Don't know why you say Tavares is a second line centre. The use of both the top lines and PP usage, makes Tavares and Matthews equal centres.
Seems like most teams, most good teams and even some bad teams are having cap problems. The NHL announced that expected cap for 2020/21 was to be about 86m. Covid has changed some many issues with virtually all teams.
By the way, the trade you propose is rather unpractical. Rangers have big cap issues also and couldn't handle a rise a 5.5m cap hit either.
The Ducks shouldn't telling Leafs how to spend their cap. 8.25m Getzalk a 50 point guy on a 82 game schedule and a buyout of Perry of 6.6m. That's 15m in wasted cap.

People who think the leafs are in cap trouble are being pessimistic for the sake of it. The lightning, isles, caps, etc are in a worse position.

But as for your trade, if the leafs could (they can't because of Tavares' NMC) they would. Even Zibanejad strait up for Tavares is a win for the leafs (cap reasons).

Also, if you think the entirety of leafs fans like Tavares on the leafs, you are wrong. Many of them think we shouldn't have signed him, an irrational argument.

hoffmann is overrated and his gf is a psyhcopath that borke up a team, not signing tavares is different from having zibinajed miller and high picks instead of tavares, that being said if tavares was willing to meet with every team then every team would have met with him, end of story, any leaf fan that says they didnt like the signing from the beginning is an outright liar and was jumping for joy that day

This again?

This is exhausting. Tavares and his cap hit, are more than welcome in Toronto. Your trade proposal shows how much you understand.

Rangers would be idiots to trade mika 1/1 with Tavares on age and contract alone. Let alone the additions you would seek here.

Why does everyone who trades Marner or Tavares for cap space insist on the Leafs signing Hoffman? The guy is a one dimensional player who only scores on the PP. If anything, the Leafs will wait a year & sign Taylor Hall who is miles better.

yes, i get it - sign the shiny new toy. that's what TML did.
but isn't the argument more so that the Leaf's didn't need JT with the make up of their roster at the time?
they were still rebuilding and on the path to putting together an absolute powerhouse.
when they signed him, it all but secured the fate that the rebuild was over.

ever wonder how this team would look today had they slow played the rebuild?
probably would be in a position to win more than just regular season games...

Sorry I don't understand that logic. Leafs had cap space and more to sign Tavares. Wasting 4.5m unnecessarily on the RFAs was the mistake.

No offence, but Mika isn’t anywhere near Tavares‘ level as a player. Only decency bias will favour Mika because of Tavares’ down year but Tavares averaged 35 goals and 78 points every 82 games for the Islanders. Considering he played with weak linemates like Moulson & Okposo, that is extremely impressive. Zibanejad hasn’t played with elite wingers either but his career average is 60 points per 82 games. Tell me who’s better?

Read the description, its not about the trade value

This might be the most delusional post on this site that I've ever seen. But hey, you do you

Is true, maybe I don’t understand, I was looking for a way to switch up the maple leafs roster and get them out of some cap troubles.

Lmao, yes I officially apologize for offending the whole maple leaf fan base.../

“You guys don’t understand, let me just take Tavares out and swap him with one of the best centres in the league who’s on a sweetheart deal”

This doesn’t look good when you consider the options available. Again, if you look at the options available, having Tavares makes all the sense in the world. Kadri just wasn’t cutting it for TO, and if Dubas passed on Tavares and kept Kadri we’d all be rioting. But hindsight is everyone’s best friend now that a global pandemic has made everything tight

When did Hall become a 200 foot player?