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Pacioretty and MAF for no reason

Created by: Pens3lieve
Initial Creation Date: Dec 9, 2020
Published: Dec 10, 2020 at 10:13
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Team Explanation
3-way trade breakdown.

PIT receives: MAF (3.5M retained), Pacioretty (3.5M retained),
PIT gives: McCann, DeSmith, Bjorkvist, Almari

VGK receives: McCann, DeSmith, $14M in cap space
VGK gives: MAF, Pacioretty, 1st, 3rd, 4th

NJD receives: VGK 1st, Almari, Bjorkvist, 3rd, 4th
NJD gives: $7M in cap space
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Pacioretty, Max3$3,500,000
Fleury, Marc-Andre2$3,500,000
Trades
PIT
    VGK trades Pacioretty and MAF through NJD for them to retain salary....
    NJD
      PIT
      1. Fleury, Marc-André
      2. Pacioretty, Max
      3. 2021 1st round pick (VGK)
      4. 2022 3rd round pick (VGK)
      5. 2021 4th round pick (WPG)
      Additional Details:
      a first to get rid of fleury's whole cap hit.
      Pacioretty is a big contract too. my thinking is VGK got a 3rd for Nate Schmidt and he's a pretty good D-man. Pacioretty prob brings back barely anything at all then or has to give up something more.....if PIT gives up say McCann then VGK would balance it out...
      VGK
      1. McCann, Jared
      2. DeSmith, Casey
      PIT
      1. 2022 6th round pick (NSH)
      ANA
      1. Sceviour, Colton
      PIT
        NJD
        1. Björkqvist, Kasper
        2. Almari, Niclas
        3. 2021 1st round pick (VGK)
        4. 2022 3rd round pick (VGK)
        5. 2022 4th round pick (PIT)
        Buyouts
        • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
        Retained Salary Transactions
        • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
        DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
        2021
        PIT
        WPG
        PIT
        PIT
        WSH
        ANA
        2022
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        NSH
        PIT
        2023
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        PIT
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
        23$81,500,000$81,436,009$0$850,000$63,991
        Left WingCenterRight Wing
        Pacioretty, Max
        $3,500,000
        PIT
        Crosby, Sidney
        $8,700,000
        C
        NMC
        UFA - 5
        PIT
        Kapanen, Kasperi
        $3,200,000
        RW
        RFA - 2
        PIT
        Guentzel, Jake
        $6,000,000
        LW, RW
        UFA - 4
        PIT
        Malkin, Evgeni
        $9,500,000
        C
        NMC
        UFA - 2
        PIT
        Rust, Bryan
        $3,500,000
        RW, LW
        UFA - 2
        PIT
        Zucker, Jason
        $5,500,000
        LW, RW
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        PIT
        Jankowski, Mark
        $700,000
        LW, C
        RFA - 1
        PIT
        Poulin, Samuel
        $894,167
        LW, RW
        RFA - 3
        PIT
        Aston-Reese, Zach
        $1,000,000
        LW, RW
        RFA - 1
        PIT
        Blueger, Teddy
        $750,000
        C, LW
        RFA - 1
        PIT
        Tanev, Brandon
        $3,500,000
        RW, LW
        NTC
        UFA - 5
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        PIT
        Dumoulin, Brian
        $4,100,000
        LD
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        PIT
        Letang, Kris
        $7,250,000
        RD
        NMC NTC
        UFA - 2
        PIT
        Jarry, Tristan
        $3,500,000
        G
        UFA - 3
        PIT
        Pettersson, Marcus
        $4,025,175
        LD
        UFA - 5
        PIT
        Marino, John
        $925,000
        RD
        UFA - 1
        Fleury, Marc-Andre
        $3,500,000
        PIT
        Matheson, Michael
        $4,875,000
        LD
        UFA - 6
        PIT
        Ruhwedel, Chad
        $700,000
        RD
        UFA - 1
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        PIT
        Riikola, Juuso
        $1,150,000
        LD
        UFA - 2
        PIT
        Ceci, Cody
        $1,250,000
        RD
        UFA - 1
        PIT
        Lafferty, Sam
        $750,000
        C, LW
        UFA - 2
        PIT
        Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
        $863,333
        LD
        RFA - 2
        PIT
        Rodrigues, Evan
        $700,000
        RW, C
        UFA - 1
        PIT
        Angello, Anthony
        $725,000
        C, RW
        RFA - 2
        PIT
        O'Connor, Drew
        $925,000
        LW
        RFA - 2
        PIT
        Maniscalco, Joshua
        $853,333
        RD
        RFA - 3
        PIT
        Lagacé, Maxime
        $700,000
        G
        UFA - 1
        VGK
        Pacioretty, Max
        $7,000,000
        LW
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        VGK
        Fleury, Marc-André
        $7,000,000
        G
        NTC
        UFA - 2

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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:14
        #1
        Hockey IQ
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        @BradTolliverGoalie @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @MitchMarnerElite @hockeygm @Geno_the_Hero @dgfresh78 @Marino4Norris @Yojimbo @penguindude87 @PensGM2019 @Theozler @gmack95 @Eddy @HockeyTownUSA69 @Sid_the_kid_875948 @penslover8771 @PGHBOB69
        thoughts???
        I know this is totally crazy and will (probably) never happen but is the value fair or close??? would paciortetty be a good fit with this team?
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:19
        #2
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        I don’t like that explanation. People saying he only got a 3rd for Nate Schmidt, and now valuing everyone that low. Like seriously, they traded Schmidt for that low because they had to trade someone before the next day, or before they could announce it or something, and if they didn’t trade someone, they wouldn’t get Pietrangelo. They would’ve gotten more if Pietrangelo wasn’t on the line. So you can’t value trades that way, because that’s ridiculous!
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:26
        #3
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        No. Pacioretty is good, but not close to good enough to add $14M in cap. Even with the 1st, etc.
        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:32
        #4
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        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        @BradTolliverGoalie @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @MitchMarnerElite @hockeygm @Geno_the_Hero @dgfresh78 @Marino4Norris @Yojimbo @penguindude87 @PensGM2019 @Theozler @gmack95 @Eddy @HockeyTownUSA69 @Sid_the_kid_875948 @penslover8771 @PGHBOB69
        thoughts???
        I know this is totally crazy and will (probably) never happen but is the value fair or close??? would paciortetty be a good fit with this team?


        Looks great for Pittsburgh. Horrible for Vegas.
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:32
        #5
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        New Jersey isn’t taking $17.5 million on in dead cap for a late 1st.
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:39
        #6
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        Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
        New Jersey isn’t taking $17.5 million on in dead cap for a late 1st.


        Teams would be lining up for Pacioretty at 3.5 mil if they did...
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:52
        #7
        Day 1 Kraken fan
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        Quoting: Riley816
        Teams would be lining up for Pacioretty at 3.5 mil if they did...


        Those teams would have to add a huge sweetener if they want him for that cheap
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 10:56
        #8
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        Quoting: tgasp67
        Those teams would have to add a huge sweetener if they want him for that cheap


        All Pittsburgh added were two guys even the GM didn't know were in his system. I'm saying teams would pay a huge sweetener...
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 11:03
        #9
        Lenny7
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        Vegas technically only clears $10 ish mil (which is fine), but they get worse, and lose a bunch of picks in the process.

        Trading a guy who just put up 66 points in 71 games (The first time he's been healthy in 3 years) for essentially nothing is a bad, bad move. They need to clear around $2 mil, and have a number of different way they can go about it.
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        Dec 10, 2020 at 11:06
        #10
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        Quoting: Riley816
        All Pittsburgh added were two guys even the GM didn't know were in his system. I'm saying teams would pay a huge sweetener...


        I guess I misunderstood what you were saying
        Dec 10, 2020 at 11:15
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        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        @BradTolliverGoalie @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @MitchMarnerElite @hockeygm @Geno_the_Hero @dgfresh78 @Marino4Norris @Yojimbo @penguindude87 @PensGM2019 @Theozler @gmack95 @Eddy @HockeyTownUSA69 @Sid_the_kid_875948 @penslover8771 @PGHBOB69
        thoughts???
        I know this is totally crazy and will (probably) never happen but is the value fair or close??? would paciortetty be a good fit with this team?


        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        @BradTolliverGoalie @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @MitchMarnerElite @hockeygm @Geno_the_Hero @dgfresh78 @Marino4Norris @Yojimbo @penguindude87 @PensGM2019 @Theozler @gmack95 @Eddy @HockeyTownUSA69 @Sid_the_kid_875948 @penslover8771 @PGHBOB69
        thoughts???
        I know this is totally crazy and will (probably) never happen but is the value fair or close??? would paciortetty be a good fit with this team?


        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        @BradTolliverGoalie @mhockey91 @Sidstick87 @NoWah49 @Marcsnack @MitchMarnerElite @hockeygm @Geno_the_Hero @dgfresh78 @Marino4Norris @Yojimbo @penguindude87 @PensGM2019 @Theozler @gmack95 @Eddy @HockeyTownUSA69 @Sid_the_kid_875948 @penslover8771 @PGHBOB69
        thoughts???
        I know this is totally crazy and will (probably) never happen but is the value fair or close??? would paciortetty be a good fit with this team?


        I think just like the Article said, I don’t understand the trade. We are fine at LW. We need RW and Right -handed shots.

        We found out last year McCann is a better winger than Center. He’s a better goal scorer and scorers more and plays better on Offense when he doesn’t have to worry about play-making and setting up his lines mates and carrying a line. He can just concentrate on what he is good at!! And just snipe!! Put puck in the net!! And he’s a good two-way player too.

        And every article saying Poulin looks great. And is ready. That he aIs 6’3, 210 pounds now. Grew from being drafted at 6’1, 205. And Poulin’s strong side is LW too.

        And both ZAR and Tanev are natural LW too. They just switched around between LW and RW last year on the 4th line. It’s why they both have RW eligibility on this site. But both played mostly LW their whole careers.

        I don’t know where Pacioretty fits?? And too expensive. We would have to move Letang to make it work well, IMO.

        And trading DeSmith and picking up Fluery is a mistake. Our goaltending only taking up a small part of our cap is a huge advantage. And DeSmith is a capable NHL back-up. He’s proven if!! And his numbers do too!! And if Jarry plays bad, then we are F-ed anyways. Cause they are committed to letting him play. And I wouldn’t want to give up McCann. He’s only 24 years old and back to back 35 point seasons. He’s gonna break -out this year!!
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