Dermott imo is not worth 2 middle round draft picks. Maybe a 4th rounder by itself.

Sorry this doesn't work for the Leafs at all. Don't know why folks think Dermot needs a fresh start, he's a competent NHL Dman. And Holl, has been more than competent in his first full NHL season.
Holl and his 2m X 2 in 21/22 is far superior value than Hamonic at 2.5m X 1.. Hamonic isn't better than Holl right now, but of course on CapFriendly...all RHD in the league are better than any Leafs man.
Mikheyov is a winger not a centre.

I’d rather have holl at 2 mil than hamonic at 2.5 especially because holl is 4 younger and has far less mileage.

I do not understand all these acgm’s firing holl into the sun. He was a very solid defenseman for the leafs last year and a strong third pair guy at his worst. Sure, he doesn’t have a top prospect pedigree and has been an ahler most of his career but it it wouldn’t be the first time a guy figures out his game a little later than most

Just to complete your thought. Last season Holl. 18 points in 68 games, plus 12. Hamonic 12 points in 50 games, minus 3. Almost the same minutes played at over 20 minutes a game. I know stats aren't everything, but so many folks get on the trade a player bandwagon, and don't know/appreciate players value on the ice (especially Leafs Dmen)
Many posts are based on players past reputations and folks don't realize it is 2020.

Kerfoot to Seattle?!!😂😂😂

To be fair if you guys think that being good for 12 games and then being completely trash as soon as Muzzin went down is being solid then I guess he’s solid

You have to know that isn' true.....Holl played half his minutes with Muzzin, half without. Holl was the third best Leafs Dman last season. For some reason folks on this site only Reilly and Muzzin are NHL calibre Dmen on the Leafs. Gee, Calgary had Hanifan, Giordiano, Brodie Anderson and Harmonic as their top 5and finished with same number of points as the Leafs. Sorry the fantasy about other teams RHD being so great, just ain't true. Hamonic was the 5th best Calgary Dman on a middling Calgary team.

And that’s a testament to how deep CGY’s D-core was

bro, muzzin got injured on february 25th. the team played 6 games after that before the season paused. in those 6 games holl averaged 21 minutes a night playing with dermott amid a d group of:

dermott-holl
marincin-barrie
rosen/sandin-liljegren/ceci

he had 1 goal and 1 assist, both even strength and was +2 for those 6 games.

Holl went:
+2 1g 1a 21:44 TOI vs. FLA (5-3 W)
+1 0g 0a 22:57 TOI vs. VAN (4-2 W)
-1 0g 0a 18:05 TOI vs. SJ (5-2 L)
+-0 0g 0a 25:31 TOI vs. LA (1-0 SOL)
+-0 0g 0a 19:51 TOI vs. ANA (2-1 L)
+-0 0g 0a 21:06 TOI vs. TBL (2-1 W) --> rielly's return (he played 21 min, while dermott played 25, likely going between playing w/ holl and playing with rielly)

where is the rumour that he was dog**** without muzzin again?

like I'm sure he struggled (again, look at the d group in total), but for $2M per, a guy who can play 25 minutes in a shutdown role, I mean let's at least see how he plays this year

I don’t care about who played with who when Mo and Muzzin went down. I actually thought Sandin and Dermott were fine

Also the fact that he played big minutes means jack sh** to me, he wasn’t good at all during that time.

And the « rumor » you’re talking about is just him looking completely out of place when he played without Muzzin

he wasn't good at all despite going +2 across 6 games where the team struggled mightily with a goal and an assist at 5v5.

notice how the games where he played the most we won (save for the shootout, but 0 GA for 3 periods plus overtime is pretty good)?

Ok so now +/- matters? Everyone knows this stat doesn’t tell even 1/3 of the story

Don’t mind the criticism man, I think you made a solid effort. I didn’t watch Hamonic play last season but statistically he got caved in. The season before he was excellent at both ends of the ice so if he can get back to that form, I’d take that every day especially at just 2.5 Million.

Coleman is a great player & exactly what this team needs, but IDK if he can play C. Mikheyev can’t so maybe sign someone like Adam Lowry instead for a similar price, I feel Coleman will go for around 4 Million anyway.

He must have forgot to add the 2nd round draft pick in there with Kerfoot...

across a 6 game stretch when most other blue liners were minus players, I'd argue +/- is at least partially relevant

Dermott is better than that

???

Devon Toews.

Seattle wont touch Kerfoot without incentives.

Deep doesn't necessarily mean good. Calgary had four "name" Dmen. But it's 2020, doesn't necessarily mean Hamonic is that good. He's a middling Dman, No reason for the Leafs to trade Holl just to get a more expensive Dman with less term.
Again so many on this site, believe getting ANY RHD is going to improve the Leafs, because apparently the Leafs players are so bad.

The Leafs defence was bad by every metric. I don't have a clue what you keep driving home here about everyone on capfriendly being "against" your Leafs. You sound like the type of guy that writes in the comments of youtube that the short story, The Sweater, is biased against the Leafs

Bad by every metric? You sound like a guy who doesn't know the Leafs, or the Flames Flames and their fantastic defensive allowed just 8 less goals than the Leafs. It's a new season, and the Leafs got rid of their two worse Dmen last year Barrie and Ceci. Gee, the initial discussion was able the comparison of Holl and Hamonic. Flames management thought Hamonic such was poor value after all they signed Tanev for 4.5m. I just suggested Holl and his 2m X 3 is a good deal value, and he sure has shown he is competent NHL Dman.

Haha ya.