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Created by: rockybaker

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 14, 2020

Published: Dec. 14, 2020

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I didn't think Robertson would make the opening lineup with the newly signed depth. Now that he's been left out of the WJHC, Dubas must have him penciled into the lineup.

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Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5
Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
	Thornton, Joe $700,000$700,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000$900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Boyd, Travis $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1

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Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Dermott, Travis $874,125$874,125 LD/RD UFA - 1	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2	Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1

Dec. 14, 2020 at 9:33 a.m.

SadSensFan14

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Vesey's expected to play with Kerfoot.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 9:34 a.m.

Campabee

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SImmonds in the top 6 would worry me a bit. Move Robertson up and Simmonds down to give the kid a real shot at succeeding.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 9:48 a.m.

Barilko14

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I have a feeling the taxi squad is going to help his chances. Could see him play 1/2 or 2/3 of the games this season, bouncing back & forth between roster and taxi squad.

I have feeling that this can be true for several players at the bottom of the line-up.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 9:59 a.m.

Barbs

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I think they'll staple Robertson to Thornton so whatever line Thornton is on is where Robertson will be (assuming he's in the lineup).

Something about putting an elite passer (Thornton) with the prospect who's known for a great shot (Robertson) seems like a winning combination. Thornton also has that veteran NHL respect thing going on so I doubt opposing players will take liberties with Robertson if they're on the same line.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 9:59 a.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

I have a feeling the taxi squad is going to help his chances. Could see him play 1/2 or 2/3 of the games this season, bouncing back & forth between roster and taxi squad.

I have feeling that this can be true for several players at the bottom of the line-up.

I think you're spot on with this, and I think maybe an ulterior motive for this is that it would probably be slightly beneficial cap-wise, in the short term but beyond just this year, helping navigate the flat cap.

i.e with Dermott and Sandin filtering in and out, I think that helps bring down the potential costs of their next deals with Dermott expiring after this season and Sandin only one year after.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 10:05 a.m.

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yeah i like the idea of robertson playing for sure. imo i'd put mikheyev on the 2nd line and act have robertson on the 4th with spezza and thornton. the idea that robertson can learn from two well-respected vets in spezza and thornton excites me. tbh, i would let mikheyev, robertson, and simmonds cycle on the 2LW, 3LW, and 4LW throughout the season, with vesey stapled into the 3RW.

Dec. 14, 2020 at 10:09 a.m.

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I'd be suprised if he doesn't make the lineup.

Quoting: Barbs

I agree. Those 2 could show great chemistry.

Quoting: Brad21

Vesey's expected to play with Kerfoot.

They were linemates at Harvard so it's likely for sure.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 10:56 a.m.

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Quoting: Brad21

Vesey's expected to play with Kerfoot.

Are we trying to miss the playoffs? Vesey was not good and you will know why when you watch him play. Everyone said the same thing about Cody Ceci

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.

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Quoting: Campabee

SImmonds in the top 6 would worry me a bit. Move Robertson up and Simmonds down to give the kid a real shot at succeeding.

Quoting: Brad21

Vesey's expected to play with Kerfoot.

Quoting: Barilko14

I have a feeling the taxi squad is going to help his chances. Could see him play 1/2 or 2/3 of the games this season, bouncing back & forth between roster and taxi squad.

I agree with all of this. The only reason I have Robertson there is because I don't think they would withhold him from the WJC just to play 10 minutes on the 4th line. So I think he'll end up a middle 6 guy, trading places depending on performance with Simmonds and Mikheyev...those 3 are a toss-up as far as lineup up. Will all depend on fit with linemates.
I have feeling that this can be true for several players at the bottom of the line-up.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:15 a.m.

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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason

Are we trying to miss the playoffs? Vesey was not good and you will know why when you watch him play. Everyone said the same thing about Cody Ceci

Says the guy who described him as another small waterbug signing by Dubas.

You've never seen him play, your opinion on him is meaningless.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:17 a.m.

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Quoting: rockybaker

I don't think the 4th line will be treated the same way as prior years if that's where Thornton ends up. I could see him and Robertson getting decent minutes (between 5v5 and PP2). I think it's fine if Robertson starts out at 12-14 min per game.

Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

You might be right, but there's only so much ice time to go around. What would then be the purpose of having 3 guys making double digits if they're only playing 18-19 minutes per night?

Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:45 a.m.

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Quoting: rockybaker

You might be right, but there's only so much ice time to go around. What would then be the purpose of having 3 guys making double digits if they're only playing 18-19 minutes per night?

I'm factoring in PP time for those 2 as well. Nights when Clifford was getting 7 min per night, he wasn't on any special teams.

Also, this may not be the season to roll Matthews and Marner out there 22+ min per night, considering it will be the most condensed sched they'll likely ever play. There will likely be months with 15+ games.

IMO, you are taking a sizable risk if those guys play as much as they did last year (if 21/22 is back to normal, I'm fine with them playing big min again).

Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.

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Quoting: rockybaker

You might be right, but there's only so much ice time to go around. What would then be the purpose of having 3 guys making double digits if they're only playing 18-19 minutes per night?

I mean if they're winning what difference does it make? A team with 4 lines that can contribute would be the ideal situation. I'll be real surprised to hear any Leafs fans disgruntled about ice time numbers if they're hoisting a cup at the end of the season.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.

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Quoting: Barilko14

Alright, if you average out the top 6 as 20 minute players (average), that still only leaves 10 minutes as an average for bottom 6 players. Regardless of special teams, there's still only 60 minutes in a regulation hockey game...and penalties fall into those 60 minutes. There's exactly 15 minutes (all situations) in regulation for the average forward, 20 minutes for defense.

Dec. 14, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.

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Quoting: BigDaddyOvech

100%. 4 lines that can contribute is ideal, but let's not pretend they are all equally capable of contributing. For them to hoist that cup, they'll have to get the best out of their lineup, and that goes for any team. I just really don't think rolling 4 equal lines with equal ice time is the right way to get the best out of this team the way it is structured today.

Dec. 14, 2020 at 12:02 p.m.

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Quoting: rockybaker

Shave a min or two from top 6 (to avoid injury/burn out), add a min or two to whoever is on 4th line (barring injuries/COVID and it's looks more like an AHL line), play 3rd line about the same as last year.

Tweak if needed (team is losing).

Dec. 14, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.

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Quoting: rockybaker

Any other season this is how I view the Leafs as well.

This season this approach may be risky. Added benefit for this season alone, Robertson can be eased in on 4th line, and play a bit more than 7-8 min per night.

Dec. 14, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.

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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason

Are we trying to miss the playoffs? Vesey was not good and you will know why when you watch him play. Everyone said the same thing about Cody Ceci

Says the guy who wants to trade Nylander for Absolutely nothing.

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Dec. 14, 2020 at 1:48 p.m.

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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason

Are we trying to miss the playoffs? Vesey was not good and you will know why when you watch him play. Everyone said the same thing about Cody Ceci

@LGR tell him.

Dec. 14, 2020 at 1:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Saskleaf

@LGR tell him.

Vesey should be anchoring the top line. we all know it

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