Leafs close comparables throughout the league

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Eichel, Jack $10,000,000$10,000,000 C UFA - 6	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C UFA - 5
Järnkrok, Calle $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 2	Stamkos, Steven $8,500,000$8,500,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 4	Svechnikov, Andrei $925,000$925,000 ($2,650,000$3M) LW, RW UFA - 1
Lucic, Milan $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 3	Coleman, Blake $1,800,000$1,800,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Tippett, Owen $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW UFA - 2
Marleau, Patrick $700,000$700,000 LW, C UFA - 1		Weal, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1
	Koivu, Mikko $1,500,000$1,500,000 ($250,000$250K) C NMC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Brodin, Jonas $4,166,667$4,166,667 LD NMC UFA - 1	Klingberg, John $4,250,000$4,250,000 RD UFA - 2	Binnington, Jordan $4,400,000$4,400,000 G UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Siegenthaler, Jonas $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1	Zub, Artem $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1	Demko, Thatcher $1,050,000$1,050,000 G UFA - 1

Dec. 15, 2020 at 2:30 a.m.

#26

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I would go:

Nylander : Ehlers
Marner: Rantanen
Robertson: Caufield
Freddy: Grubauer/Holtby

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 3:26 a.m.

#27

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Marner is NOT Stone that was the worse one. Maybe overall talent they're somewhat similar, but Stone was a possible Selke candidate, Marner is not there, probably won't be. Maybe currently Nylander is near Svech, not for long. Johnny T and Stammer are weird because of the wing transition for Stammer.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 3:28 a.m.

#28

Theozler

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

Matthews is NOT “better easily” than Eichel
They’re neck & neck

I didn’t even get past that before wanting to reply. I have no issue with matthews being stated as better, but it’s definitely not cut and dry.

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 8:19 a.m.

#29

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Quoting: mondo

Marner ≈ Rantanen more so than Stone.

Oh ya. That would have been better.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 8:25 a.m.

#30

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Quoting: mhockey91

Marner definitely isn’t as good two way as stone, but probably is a better playmaker. I wouldn’t say that’s a great comparison.

There’s no way Nylander is comparable to Svech. Cmon man.

Brodin> Brodie as well

Demko > Campbell

Most comparisons are good tho.

Quoting: Bcarlo25

Just can’t get behind the stone marner comparison.

Quoting: Isles777

most of the comparables are good but Marner is not close to stone and hyman isn't good defensively at even strength so I wouldn't say hes a comparable to Coleman.

Turns out everbody hated the Stone Marner comparison, so I went Rantanen (forgot about him lol). Let me know what you think.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 8:27 a.m.

#31

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Quoting: mhockey91

Quoting: Bcarlo25

I mean, not to play that card, but ya. I’ve watched my team speedbag the leafs for a few years so I’ve seen plenty of Willy.

Nylander just isn’t the same kind of threat. Maybe more consistent? I guess I’d give you that. Svechnikov has, “well, nothing you can do about that,” kind of talent. I’ve never seen nylander do anything like that. That’s not really a knock on him. There aren’t really many players in the NHL that have a gear where they just can’t really be contained. Nylander isn’t one of them. I’ve seen plays that make me think svechnikov is.

I specifically went with Svech. Both players are very similar in my opinion. That one stays the same.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 8:29 a.m.

#32

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 8:29 a.m.

#33

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

no?

Ahh, good old lylebubas and his trusty charts.

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:19 a.m.

#34

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Quoting: Saskleaf

I specifically went with Svech. Both players are very similar in my opinion. That one stays the same.

Bad pick.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:20 a.m.

#35

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Bad pick.

Just look at @Lyle_Bubas 's chart again.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:26 a.m.

#36

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Just look at @Lyle_Bubas 's chart again.

1. Lol, no. I’ll take a look at hockey instead.
2. There’s a pretty detailed conversation on this thread if you want to read through it. Multiple posters give their reasons for having svechnikov as head and shoulders above nylander despite their fantasy stats being very similar.

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:27 a.m.

#37

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ill take Jack thanks

Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:45 a.m.

#38

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Quoting: kclar

ill take Jack thanks

Actually?

Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:54 a.m.

#39

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Nylander with an inflated shooting percentage and more ice time didn’t outscore Svech this year. Svech is better

What everyone also failed to take into account is the physical game svechnikov plays, something that Nylander doesn’t bring. You can make an argument based on point totals but you can’t make an argument based on style of play imo. You also have a big age difference and svech having limited opportunities compared to nylander.

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 9:57 a.m.

#40

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Just look at @Lyle_Bubas 's chart again.

Because charts tell you so much. You can look at the stats but it tells you nothing about style of play or opportunity. You are also comparing one player entering his prime and one who just finished his second season. I think you can compare them on goals and assists but that is as much of a comparison as you can make. What is clear is that point totals are the same, and svech is 4 years younger, that should be all that is needed

Dec. 15, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.

#41

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Quoting: etpeck

That is the one difference, yes.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 10:43 a.m.

#42

kclar

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Actually?

actually.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 12:03 p.m.

#43

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Quoting: etpeck

That is a difference but Svechnikov also has a lot more giveaways. Plusses and minus to the style of play they play.

Dec. 15, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.

#44

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I'd say Nylander ≈ Ehlers. Same age and comparable stat lines.

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Dec. 15, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.

#45

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Quoting: ecupirate07

That is a difference but Svechnikov also has a lot more giveaways. Plusses and minus to the style of play they play.

Quoting: mondo

I'd say Nylander ≈ Ehlers. Same age and comparable stat lines.

Ehlers may have been a better choice.

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Mar. 18, 2021 at 11:43 a.m.

#46

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

Matthews is NOT “better easily” than Eichel
They’re neck & neck

Quoting: Theozler

I didn’t even get past that before wanting to reply. I have no issue with matthews being stated as better, but it’s definitely not cut and dry.

Quoting: kclar

ill take Jack thanks

Out of curiosity, still Eichel=Matthews?

Mar. 18, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.

#47

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Out of curiosity, still Eichel=Matthews?

-ish
But it’s fair to rank Matthews ahead bc of this season
He’s just not “better easily” imo

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