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Should Not Have Signed Bogosian

Created by: AnalyticsGeek
Initial Creation Date: Dec 15, 2020
Published: Dec 15, 2020 at 6:11
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Honestly, I liked pretty much all the moves Kyle Dubas made this offseason, but there was one in particular that both surprised and confused me. I think it was a mistake signing Zach Bogosian since I don't feel he is an impactful player at NHL level anymore.

The thing is, Zach has never been a smart player. He has outstanding skating ability and puck skills that allows him to generate a lot of offence, but his game away from the puck is lacking. He is slow to react to the play and is constantly out of position allowing the opposition to easily get a scoring chance. That's why he accumulates so many hits and blocked shots, he's always having to defend in an under siege situation similar to Jack Johnson.

It is true that he has mostly played on bad teams throughout his career, therefore, it might explain his poor results. He did have a solid playoffs with Tampa, during the first 3 rounds, his on-ice impacts were excellent. However, he was most frequently sharing the ice with Hedman, Point and Kucherov, 3 of the best possessing driving players in their position. He was exposed against Dallas and got benched. In Toronto, he will be in a sheltered role playing with excellent possession players again, but I'm still not convinced.

Honestly, if the Leafs wanted a big body defenceman, they could've just resigned Ceci. He's not smart either and doesn't generate any offence but at least he doesn't get caved in every shift.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Martin, Matt1$950,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Clifford, Kyle
STL
  1. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Ceci, Cody
PIT
  1. Bogosian, Zach
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
Buried
  • Pierre Engvall: $175,000 ($1,250,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,324,741$0$0$175,259

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Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
STL
Clifford, Kyle
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
Martin, Matt
$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD/RD
RFA - 1
PIT
Ceci, Cody
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Boyd, Travis
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Nylander, W.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Marner, M.
Rielly, M.
Power Play 2
Kerfoot, A.
Thornton, J.
Vesey, J.
Spezza, J.
Ceci, C.
Penalty Kill 1
Clifford, K.
Martin, M.
Muzzin, J.
Brodie, T.
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Mikheyev, I.
Hyman, Z.
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Holl, J.

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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:12
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Do you guys think the Leafs made a mistake signing Bogosian?
Dec 15, 2020 at 6:14
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Do you guys think the Leafs made a mistake signing Bogosian?


As long as the play him in a sheltered role not like they did with Ceci; then he’ll be fine
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:16
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hes an alright guy to take a flyer on, not like there were many other options they could afford
Dec 15, 2020 at 6:16
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No, he's supposed to be an solid PKer (which will help). Should be fine in 3rd pair min when needed, and can provide a different element if Leafs are lacking physicality in a tough playoff series.

Also, if it's not working out, considering he's not making big $$, shouldn't be too tough to move.

p.s. "He has outstanding skating ability and puck skills that allows him to generate a lot of offence" - I don't think I've even seen Bogosian described this way. I view him as a Polak type.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:18
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Quoting: Barilko14
No, he's supposed to be an solid PKer (which will help). Should be fine in 3rd pair min when needed, and can provide a different element if Leafs are lacking physicality in a tough playoff series.

Also, if it's not working out, considering he's not making big $$, shouldn't be too tough to move.


Bogo can be buried for zero cap hit i believe - i think dubas only signed him for playoff depth so i think they'll keep him even if he plays a majority of the year in the A
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:19
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Do you guys think the Leafs made a mistake signing Bogosian?


Not a mistake. If plays like he did he with Tampa...it's a bargain. If plays like he did with the Sabres, then it kinda of a waste. If the rules of sending a player "to the minors" remain the same as before he can be send to Marlies and he doesn't affect the cap.
I'm hoping Brodie plays up to 5m X 4 year contract Thought in Covid times there were better value available.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:20
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Yup. Lots of wisdom in a deeper 50Mroster under these circumstances but like... trust the youth my dude! Sandin looks comfortable in the NHL so far, Dermott is solid as ever and Liljegren is approaching 200 pro hockey games in his career since 2015

The whole veteran presence thing is overblown

If he wanted a vet at least avoid a 1 way Ntc contract
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:23
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Literally anyone but Ceci 200.gif
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:25
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mfw ceci

bogosian might be just as bad as ceci, but he at least has some veteran presence, he hits/fights sometimes, and is aggressive and tough. Ceci idk if I'd describe as any of those things
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:25
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Bogo can be buried for zero cap hit i believe - i think dubas only signed him for playoff depth so i think they'll keep him even if he plays a majority of the year in the A


Oh wow good call indeed it can be done. Didn't know that deals above 1M could be 2 way (just very rare)... especially with an ntc included. Good ol' Dubas.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:27
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Quoting: Radu47
Oh wow good call indeed it can be done. Didn't know that deals above 1M could be 2 way (just very rare)... especially with an ntc included. Good ol' Dubas.


yeah - others may hate the BOGO signing but i liked it alot for the leafs. Hes nothing special but will be handy in the playoffs which is why i think dubas did well scooping him up
Dec 15, 2020 at 6:27
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Quoting: Radu47
Yup. Lots of wisdom in a deeper 50Mroster under these circumstances but like... trust the youth my dude! Sandin looks comfortable in the NHL so far, Dermott is solid as ever and Liljegren is approaching 200 pro hockey games in his career since 2015

The whole veteran presence thing is overblown

If he wanted a vet at least avoid a 1 way Ntc contract


There is very little downside to a 1 way or NTC for Bogosian. If he's not being played I doubt he'd block a trade. And 1-way doesn't block them from demoting him. It may stop a couple small market teams from acquiring him, but any team looking to acquire him, likely wants him in their top 7.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:29
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As a Tampa fan who watched Bogosian throughout these playoffs, he is a great depth defender and it was clear his senses have improved. Instead of sending muffins up the middle of the ice, he would make the smart play and find the winger along the boards or chip it out of the zone safely. He does still occasionally make mistakes but he has really gotten better at reading the play.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:30
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he can literally be burried with zero cap impact
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:55
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Thought it was a weird move too. They took so many steps forward this offseason and this felt like a (small) step back. No risk involved really, unless Keefe is married to playing him every night (which I doubt) but a strange signing nonetheless
Dec 15, 2020 at 6:56
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Bogo did well in Tampa. I don't mind picking him up for a depth role and a PK specialist where he's been pretty good.
Dec 15, 2020 at 6:57
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Quoting: mhockey91
As long as the play him in a sheltered role not like they did with Ceci; then he’ll be fine


That’s fair. He needs to be on the third pairing at most.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 6:59
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Quoting: Borocop
hes an alright guy to take a flyer on, not like there were many other options they could afford


Yeah that’s true but I believe Slater Koekkoek is still unsigned & he’s a solid 3rd pairing guy. I’m surprised Dubas didn’t take him being as analytically savvy as he is.
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Dec 15, 2020 at 7:00
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Quoting: mhockey91
As long as the play him in a sheltered role not like they did with Ceci; then he’ll be fine


even so if Keefe decides Muzzin-Brodie will be the top pair Rielly-Brodie can be the 2nd pair as like Rielly-Hainsey, Rielly can take on all the offensive responsibilities and Bogo never passes blue line and takes on all the defensive responsibilities. Could see the return of 20 goal rielly again lul.
Dec 15, 2020 at 7:05
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Quoting: Barilko14
No, he's supposed to be an solid PKer (which will help). Should be fine in 3rd pair min when needed, and can provide a different element if Leafs are lacking physicality in a tough playoff series.

Also, if it's not working out, considering he's not making big $$, shouldn't be too tough to move.

p.s. "He has outstanding skating ability and puck skills that allows him to generate a lot of offence" - I don't think I've even seen Bogosian described this way. I view him as a Polak type.


I think Bogosian is more mobile and offensive minded than Polak.
Dec 15, 2020 at 7:14
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even so if Keefe decides Muzzin-Brodie will be the top pair Rielly-Brodie can be the 2nd pair as like Rielly-Hainsey, Rielly can take on all the offensive responsibilities and Bogo never passes blue line and takes on all the defensive responsibilities. Could see the return of 20 goal rielly again lul.


See how well that worked out for Ceci?

Hainsey was a much better player than both Ceci and Bogo. Hainsey was great for us in the playoffs. Extremely reliable and played basically the most minutes on a Stanley Cup winning roster
Dec 15, 2020 at 7:19
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See how well that worked out for Ceci?

Hainsey was a much better player than both Ceci and Bogo. Hainsey was great for us in the playoffs. Extremely reliable and played basically the most minutes on a Stanley Cup winning roster


ceci was a disaster lul. Ceci is one of the worst Dman I have seen since Marincin. The fact he went in the first round makes me go the hell did the Senators see in this kid cause i checked his old games and man he looked like a 3rd rounder.

Yes Bogo at times makes bad mistakes but he also can make some wicked hits and passes and is could be a perfect bodyguard for rielly should a pairing happen. By pairing him with rielly every know and again (mainly offensive starts) rielly can drive the net while bogo can stay back guarding the blueline and if necessary shot at the net (and get a goal rather than miss by a mile). Ceci never remembered to do that and would try to drive the net leaving rielly back going huh.
Dec 15, 2020 at 7:21
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Nah, regardless of what Brian Burke said, having guys like simmonds and bogo erases the need for Clifford. Cliffords reliable, but doesn’t really add anything. I’d rather have more high risk guys with some upside.

Bogos some much needed experience and grit on the blueline, on a manageable and buriable deal. I’d rather that then clifford and ceci
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Dec 15, 2020 at 7:26
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Solid option for a healthy 8 dman, say he plays half the season and a veteran option in black aces worse case scenario depending on needs. Never a bad thing to have some tough options along with Brodie and muzzin. Playing against a overly physical team there will be a definite need, Vegas/st.louis,
Dec 15, 2020 at 7:35
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No mistake at all in signing Bogosion. He will be a solid 6th d man. He has a Stanley cup. In the games he played for Tampa he logged some solid minutes. He brings a physical presence. And we didn’t have to give up Connor brown to get him. He is not Cody Ceci one bit.
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