Hoffman will get a lot more elsewhere. Also, bet Panik has an amazing season this year.

I mean if Hoffman wants to sign for more money with a worse team, he can do that. I just thought he’d be sick of missing the playoffs every year between his time with Ottawa and Florida. And sadly, as much as I’d love to see Panik flourish, he had so many chances last season and he just couldn’t finish. Maybe he does turn it around, but I just don’t know.

He was one of the teams best play drivers, he was just incredibly unlucky. He was on pace for 30 points last and someone getting paid $2.75M that's good. The crazy thing is that's even with not scoring the first 12 games. Remove those and he's on pace for almost 40 points. Have a feeling he kills it this season with that Panik-Eller-Sprong line.

"For that amount of money, it’s a waste of cap space."

Your logic is, Panik is a waste of cap space, and he's signed for three more seasons, so a waste times three, and you don't think it will cost a 1st? A cap dump requires an asset for each season of the term, and the higher the cap hit, the better the assets. Dumping that cap will cost a lot more than a 1st, it's $8.25MM in wasted cap.

Tampa Bay, Toronto, Chicago, and Arizona have all figured out he's just not what they expected.

Not a chance Ottawa trades for Panik.

You don’t really know what your talking about. Just because you’re doing the math here doesn’t mean the logic makes sense. Yes it’s 8.25m in cap space spread out over 3 years. 2.75m isn’t a huge burden for Ottawa for the next three years. Look at other cap dumps for players of similar salary. You’re not getting a first for taking such a small cap hit.

Also, what’s this whole spiel about him not being what all those teams expected? He played very well on Arizona especially. I’m incredibly confused by everything in your comment.

I would think that Hagelin and Sprong start on the third line with Eller. Panik did have success on the fourth line at the end of the season, but my issue is that we’re spending way too much on a fourth line. A guy making 2.75m is probably going to be on the fourth line, whether it’s Hagelin or Panik. I’d love for you to be right here, but I am concerned with how snake bitten he was for the better part of the 19-20 season.

You yourself said he was a waste of cap space for what he does, and considering you’re giving assets to get rid of him, why would you think your comment about his time in Arizona would be considered anything less than disingenuous. You’re confused because you’re trying to argue both sides of an argument against yourself.

As for compensation for a cap dump, the second year is bad, the third year is horrible. Keep Panik for the next three seasons and enjoy his cap hit.

Oh, I’m SO sorry that I recognized that he was actually good in Arizona. Nothing about what I said was “disingenuous,” and I’m really confused why you’re so angry about a trade on an armchair GM site. He’s not worth the money to the caps, doesn’t mean the caps need to add a first to get rid of his contract. Get off your high horse Mr. “I know all about cap dumps.”

It isn't about knowing about cap dumps, it's pretending you like a player that is obviously not someone you want on the team, and therefore unlikely to be wanted on other teams, and then not realizing that the player has three...more...seasons left. You posted that "He played very well on Arizona especially" as an argument that he isn't as bad as you say he is. That's what I mean by arguing against yourself.

Let's look at his Arizona numbers, in fact all his career numbers everywhere he played, just to get a good reference for the player.

WSH 59 games 2.16 points per 60 minutes
ARI 110 games 1.84 points per 60 minutes
CHI 149 games 1.73 points per 60 minutes
TOR 76 games 1.02 points per 60 minutes
TBL 75 games 1.12 points per 60 minutes

Panik had his best production in Washington, but you think he's "a waste of cap space". Don't worry, you're not alone, other teams think that too.

I admit I get annoyed at people here, but it's because they use high school logic to try to force scenarios that are ridiculous. Just be honest, if you don't like Panik, that's fine. You want to trade Panik, that's fine. Each team only gets $81.5MM in cap, and understanding Panik doesn't play well enough for his cap hit is good, but it's the same for other teams. Don't try to sugarcoat it with something even you don't believe, and if you believe it, then you're wrong, just look at the numbers.

I'll put this trade another way

If the other teams demanded a 1st round pick to acquire Panik, would you give it? If the answer is no, then the 1st is more important than trading Panik, and you should keep him.

For other teams, they don't want Panik either, so if they are going to accept three years of his bloated pay, they need to be properly compensated. Three years of a players career is a long time.

People can say, it's only three years

Now say it like this, jeez it's three...more...years