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for mitch marner elite how much would a fair marner deal actually help TO

Created by: mhockey91
Initial Creation Date: Dec 20, 2020
Published: Dec 20, 2020 at 5:27
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitch5$9,250,000
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,318,408$0$0$181,592
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Marner, Mitch
$9,250,000
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD/RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec 20, 2020 at 5:31
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It is probably around 9500000, a little more than Rantanen
Dec 20, 2020 at 5:32
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This is what happens when the kids ego stepped in. Toronto needs to get away from that brat ASAP
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Dec 20, 2020 at 5:37
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The was thinking if this last night, based on how many years I'd go something like:3/24, 4/30(goes right to ufa so worst aav deal), 5/42.5, 6/54, 7/70, 8/88.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 5:38
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
It is probably around 9500000, a little more than Rantanen


They are very close. I’m just basing this post off his contract
Dec 20, 2020 at 5:40
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This is what happens when the kids ego stepped in. Toronto needs to get away from that brat ASAP


The way dubas handled the nylander negotiations really set the precedent. Even though nylander’s contract ended up being solid, it was the whole process of him holding out that just showed Dubas was a weak negotiator
Dec 20, 2020 at 5:45
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@mhockey91 Honestly, this team looks solid on paper. Elite offence, the top 4 defence is statistically very good. If Marner bounces back to his 2018/19 form, I think they could be the best possession driving team in the NHL.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 5:52
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if you're asking him, hilariously little and he'll even retain like 2 mill in salary
Dec 20, 2020 at 5:53
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Quoting: mhockey91
The way dubas handled the nylander negotiations really set the precedent. Even though nylander’s contract ended up being solid, it was the whole process of him holding out that just showed Dubas was a weak negotiator


That's how negotiations literally work all the time. Sometimes people hold out and there is nothing you can do. I do enjoy how you leave out the fact that Nylander was the one who caved at the end and Dubas ended up getting the solid contract he wanted
Dec 20, 2020 at 6:03
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I don’t think Marner is extremely over paid. Maybe 500k. He was on pace for another 90+ point season last year. The problem is that they have 3 guys basically making $11M each. Since the other two are centers and they just named one Captain he’s just the logical trade option to improve the D/depth as they could reasonably get multiple quality players for that $10.8M Marner is making.

Disclaimer: this opinion is based on a Panarin comparison which could be flawed as you can say Panarin got his money because Marner got his.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 6:05
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Quoting: Jah1722
I don’t think Marner is extremely over paid. Maybe 500k. He was on pace for another 90+ point season last year. The problem is that they have 3 guys basically making $11M each. Since the other two are centers and they just named one Captain he’s just the logical trade option to improve the D/depth as they could reasonably get multiple quality players for that $10.8M Marner is making.

Disclaimer: this opinion is based on a Panarin comparison which could be flawed as you can say Panarin got his money because Marner got his.


I think marner is overpaid by $1 million at least but yes I agree. They have 3 guys making a combined 33+ million. Especially considering when they all signed no one predicted this flat cap.
Dec 20, 2020 at 6:11
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Quoting: mhockey91
I think marner is overpaid by $1 million at least but yes I agree. They have 3 guys making a combined 33+ million. Especially considering when they all signed no one predicted this flat cap.


Even without the flat cap they would still struggle with the cap. Its tough to win in a salary cap league when 3 players take up that big of a cap %. Without COVID they’d be able to afford another Simmonds priced player which doesn’t do much for depth anyways.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 6:53
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Now this is a team that can compete. Their current team is drastically worse and will likely be in the lottery.
Dec 20, 2020 at 6:54
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Quoting: CeciGOAT
Now this is a team that can compete. Their current team is drastically worse and will likely be in the lottery.


I know this is sarcasm obviously. I’m curious as how to they will get under the cap given their situation. trade Engvall forsure and maybe someone else
Dec 20, 2020 at 6:58
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Quoting: mhockey91
I know this is sarcasm obviously. I’m curious as how to they will get under the cap given their situation. trade Engvall forsure and maybe someone else


I think that all depends on the taxi squad. The incentives of a 23 man roster are reduced when you have a taxi squad available. I don’t think engvall is traded but I don’t think his cap fits on the roster, probably just keep him on the taxi squad/bury him in the AHL.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 7:32
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Quoting: mhockey91
The way dubas handled the nylander negotiations really set the precedent. Even though nylander’s contract ended up being solid, it was the whole process of him holding out that just showed Dubas was a weak negotiator


Lol, he gets him at a deal and somehow loses. This is capfriendly for you. No matter what, Dubas is terrible.
Dec 20, 2020 at 7:33
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Quoting: LGR
This is what happens when the kids ego stepped in. Toronto needs to get away from that brat ASAP


This guy has wisdom, tell us all about how Vesey is better than Tavares please.
Dec 20, 2020 at 7:33
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It won't help, MitchMarnerElite is a troll bot
Dec 20, 2020 at 7:37
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Lol, he gets him at a deal and somehow loses. This is capfriendly for you. No matter what, Dubas is terrible.


It was the whole situation. You can’t even sit here with a straight face and tell me Dubas handled that properly. If he would’ve sent the message to the team and traded nylander for a haul, Matthew’s and Marner definitely would’ve signed better deals. Or on the flip side, if Nylander wasn’t being so greedy at the time, Matthew’s and marner would’ve been signed to better deals as well.

Nylander/Dubas situation set the precedent that in a staring contest, Dubas will lose. The agents fully took advantage of that and exploited him. There is a reason why marner is overpaid and Matthew’s term is too short
Dec 20, 2020 at 7:47
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
@mhockey91 Honestly, this team looks solid on paper. Elite offence, the top 4 defence is statistically very good. If Marner bounces back to his 2018/19 form, I think they could be the best possession driving team in the NHL.


Can you please explain how this team is any different? It's literally the same team with 2 more healthy scratches, which aren't even that necessary with the taxi squads this year.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 7:50
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Can you please explain how this team is any different? It's literally the same team with 2 more healthy scratches, which aren't even that necessary with the taxi squads this year.


Same team, but better set up for the long term with a cheaper marner deal. Also can someone please explain taxi squad to me because I keep seeing people post teams with that. Does that basically mean a team can carry up to 5 extra guys or whatever that don’t count against the salary cap?
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Dec 20, 2020 at 7:56
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Nice.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 8:16
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I think marner is overpaid by $1 million at least but yes I agree. They have 3 guys making a combined 33+ million. Especially considering when they all signed no one predicted this flat cap.


Carolina's Aho and Marner contracts came up at the same time. For the two previous years they had identical stats. Aho signed for 8.45m X 5 years, Marner 10.693 for 6 years. Based on Aho contract if the Marner had signed a comparable contract for six years, 9m would have been appropriate. I'll never understand why the Leafs handed out "hometown premium contracts to their big three, 4.5m too much.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 8:18
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Same team, but better set up for the long term with a cheaper marner deal. Also can someone please explain taxi squad to me because I keep seeing people post teams with that. Does that basically mean a team can carry up to 5 extra guys or whatever that don’t count against the salary cap?


The taxi squad details are not all clear atm. What is known is that it will be 4-6 players and that they will be payed AHL salary. They will travel to the game with the team just like the extras on a roster. There will likely be some restrictions regarding eligibility and cap that aren’t revealed yet.
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Dec 20, 2020 at 8:19
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Quoting: palhal
Carolina's Aho and Marner contracts came up at the same time. For the two previous years they had identical stats. Aho signed for 8.45m X 5 years, Marner 10.693 for 6 years. Based on Aho contract if the Marner had signed a comparable contract for six years, 9m would have been appropriate. I'll never understand why the Leafs handed out "hometown premium contracts to their big three, 4.5m too much.


Like I've been saying, it's the term with that aav that's the biggest problem, you give them max value to but up 4 ufa years not 2
Dec 20, 2020 at 8:19
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Quoting: palhal
Carolina's Aho and Marner contracts came up at the same time. For the two previous years they had identical stats. Aho signed for 8.45m X 5 years, Marner 10.693 for 6 years. Based on Aho contract if the Marner had signed a comparable contract for six years, 9m would have been appropriate. I'll never understand why the Leafs handed out "hometown premium contracts to their big three, 4.5m too much.


Hometown premium is such a good way to put it. I get tavares because he was a UFA, and leafs offered less than isles, but in Marners case, he’s from TO, was drafted by TO, you’d think he’d take a more fair contract to play in Toronto. Usually you see hometown discounts but this was the exact opposite of that
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