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Pistol Pete

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Ian cole is not needed jones is a hell of a player. That's too high of a price to pay to get rid of Neal, Id rather keep him till the last year of his contract and buy him out. The 2021 first round pick would get them a decent goaltender in Sebastian Cossa.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.

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avs decline,

Cole is better than some random odds and ends, they have the luxury of keep him. SO unless Oilers give something decent for them, its an easy decline

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 5:38 p.m.

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I like Samorukov but he is not that good drop Neal and maybe it will happen. Edmonton's 1st will be what about 10 picks in front of Detroit;'s 2nd.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

I like Samorukov but he is not that good drop Neal and maybe it will happen. Edmonton's 1st will be what about 10 picks in front of Detroit;'s 2nd.

With no Neal in this deal Edmonton laughs at Detroit. And it’s not Detroit’s 2nd in the deal it’s Edmonton’s so it’s a full round they move up (32 picks). Samorukov could easily get them a 3rd alone he’s playing top pairing in the KHL.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:24 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

I like Samorukov but he is not that good drop Neal and maybe it will happen. Edmonton's 1st will be what about 10 picks in front of Detroit;'s 2nd.

Samorukov is the responsible defense they have been waiting for with good offense and physicality projecting as a second pair. He's also ranked as 3rd defense in the oilers prospect pool they need to hold onto him until they figure out if they are keeping nurse long term. Klefbom can also not be counted on and kris russell is about 2 years from retirement.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.

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Quoting: Eclipze

Didn't Gusev lead the KHL in points in 2018-19. He finished 110th in the NHL last season. Any more KHL comparisons you would like to make?

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:34 p.m.

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Broberg is about 2 Years from breaking into the NHL. This season + 1 season in Bakersfield then a callup midway through the season in 22-23. Samorukov is at the point where you could call him up next season probably after 25 games. Broberg's decision making isn't there he needs to mature and the Oilers over ripen their prospects now.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.

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Quoting: Zmach

The cap is going to be flat for at least the next 3 seasons. I did say I like Samorukov but he also has what 3 defenseman ahead of him on your prospects list Broberg, Bouchard, and Jones.

Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Zmach

So switch Broberg with Samorukov I 'd make that trade. Samorukov coming to Detroit now isn't going to make them a playoff team by himself they can wait a couple of seasons for Broberg to develop.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:54 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

Didn't Gusev lead the KHL in points in 2018-19. He finished 110th in the NHL last season. Any more KHL comparisons you would like to make?

Remind me again how good offensively was the entire NJ team?

Dec. 21, 2020 at 6:55 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

So switch Broberg with Samorukov I 'd make that trade. Samorukov coming to Detroit now isn't going to make them a playoff team by himself they can wait a couple of seasons for Broberg to develop.

If we swap Broberg for Samorukov we keep our 1st and you still give up the picks.

Dec. 21, 2020 at 7:05 p.m.

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Quoting: Eclipze

Yes I was wrong about the pick I did think it was Detroit 1st and I'm sorry about that but Samorukov being in the top pair in the KHL doesn't mean a whole lot when the KHL leading point producer 2018-19 finished 110th in scoring in the NHL the very next season. Detroit wanted a 1st and a top prospect for Eriksson and getting future considerations so why would Detroit do this for a 2nd and a 3rd it just doesn't make sense.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 7:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Eclipze

If we swap Broberg for Samorukov we keep our 1st and you still give up the picks.

So it won't happen.

Dec. 21, 2020 at 7:09 p.m.

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Wings pass, bit giving those picks up to take a and contract

Dec. 21, 2020 at 7:10 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

The cap is going to be flat for at least the next 3 seasons. I did say I like Samorukov but he also has what 3 defenseman ahead of him on your prospects list Broberg, Bouchard, and Jones.

The oilers will pick one of Larsson or Barrie after this year for the right side. Can they even afford Barrie? That probably means Larsson, Bear, Bouchard on the right side next year. left side you have: Nurse, Jones, Russell, Lagesson, and samorukov, with Klefbom's future uncertain. You get to pick 4 of those for the roster. Samorukov is 21 and has spent 3 years developing, he will be able to contribute soon. Broberg has to develop still he isn't NHL ready and wont be for 2 years. The other thing is Samorukov still has 2 years on his ELC they don't have to make the decision yet so they will just watch him develop a bit longer. If samorukov comes into camp next year and does well then russell and Lagesson won't be hard to push to 7D or trade away. In 2 years Darnell also hits free agency so by then there is a good chance they need both samorukov and broberg.

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Dec. 21, 2020 at 7:42 p.m.

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There's only one person that is laughable here. You are delusional. Neal won't be traded for so little of a carrot. He's signed long term, impossible to trade. Loui Eriksson has a better deal much much better at a low salary cost

Dec. 21, 2020 at 7:47 p.m.

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If we swap Broberg for Samorukov we keep our 1st and you still give up the picks.

So,

DET: Neal + Broberg
EDM: 2021 EDM 2nd + 2021 VGK 3rd

?

Dec. 21, 2020 at 10:21 p.m.

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So,

DET: Neal + Broberg
EDM: 2021 EDM 2nd + 2021 VGK 3rd

?

Yes basically. I still wouldn’t do it if I’m Edmonton though. Don’t need to move Neal it’s just a matter of what’s better for the team. Having Neal in the lineup vs making one of Chiasson, Archibald or Kassian a healthy scratch. They’re paying Neal 5.75M (6.5M if you include the money retained on Lucic) so they’re not gonna have him sit in the press box they want him playing potentially giving him an increase in value even if it’s by the slightest of margins. Just a waste to keep him on the 4th line cause I honestly don’t see him outplaying anyone on the roster for a spot unless it’s on the PP.

Dec. 21, 2020 at 10:26 p.m.

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Well if you would rather have Eriksson then all the power to you but if I’m a rebuilding team like Detroit I take Neal. He can still produce even if it is in a limited role on the PP. it’s not like Detroit is gonna be anywhere near competitive for the next 3 seasons anyway. And realistically the goal wouldn’t be to keep Neal. It would be to flip him with retention at the TDL or offseason and maybe hope for a buyout before his final year on the deal.

Dec. 21, 2020 at 10:35 p.m.

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I’d do it from Detroit. I wouldn’t touch the original offer though.

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Dec. 22, 2020 at 9:07 a.m.

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Severe underrating of one Dmitri Samorukov in this thread. He's worth a lot, bookmark this page and we'll revisit in 5 years.

The Oilers were reportedly offered a 1st for him after he lead his team to the Memorial Cup.

Dec. 22, 2020 at 1:02 p.m.

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