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Tampa Bay Lightning signed Anthony Cirelli (3 Years / $4,800,000 AAV)

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Dec. 24, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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now thats a contract

But now even with Kucherov on LTIR they are 1.45mill over the cap. So Johnsson will probs be moved and its gonna cost them.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/2146252
Under cap no trades
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Dec. 24, 2020 at 2:51 p.m.
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now thats a contract

But now even with Kucherov on LTIR they are 1.45mill over the cap. So Johnsson will probs be moved and its gonna cost them.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/2146252
Lightning under cap no trade
Dec. 24, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
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https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/2146252
Lightning under cap no trade


Need to publish it first
Dec. 24, 2020 at 2:57 p.m.
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Need to publish it first


My apologies
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2146252
Dec. 24, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
Need to publish it first


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2146252
Dec. 24, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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1) Again, that is all before Covid hit and what the NHL is now saying there will be a flat cap for the foreseeable future in your comparisons.
2) Schmaltz is also pretty overpaid.
3) Barkov is world's better on a worse team then Cirelli even in his 3rd season


Quoting: ChiHawk
1) Again, that is all before Covid hit and what the NHL is now saying there will be a flat cap for the foreseeable future in your comparisons.
2) Schmaltz is also pretty overpaid.
3) Barkov is world's better on a worse team then Cirelli even in his 3rd season


Barkov halfway through his third season was not world's better. Barkov then is NOT Barkov today
Dec. 24, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.
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Lol Tampa now ~$12M over the cap.


Tampa Bay under cap absolutely no dumps https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2146252
Dec. 24, 2020 at 3:21 p.m.
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Wake tf up Lou
Dec. 24, 2020 at 4:54 p.m.
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Compare him to say Barkov who signed his extension in January of his third season. (not after the season). They had similar scoring numbers, Barkov was on his way to being 6th in Selke voting. Cirelli has been 7th and 4th.

Barkov got 8.1% which would be about 6.5 mil

Around 7% which is about 6 mil are guys like Trochek, Zibenejad (before he broke out), Schmaltz, etc


Barkov? Are you insane. Barkov is 10x better with a much. Much. higher ceiling. Since his 3rd season Barkov has been a point a game player. He is 2 years older and already has (5) 20+ goal seasons and one 30 goal season.

He fell four points short of 100pts at 23 years old.

Cirelli has 94 career points.

Simmer down. He is in the same conversation defensively, but Barkov is an Elite Franchise player. Cirelli is a good NHL player.

Cirelli .56 ppg
Barkov .85 ppg

Trochek is a better comparison.


If they both play 1000 games
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Dec. 24, 2020 at 5:19 p.m.
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He would have got a 5yr @ $8.5m Per if he played in Toronto... Just joking TOR fans

Good Deal IMO, a 23yr old #2 / #3 Center that is great Defensively & improving every year on Offensive side at $4.8 Per during his Prime Hockey years and could be a 60 to 75 point Center at end of contract ??
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Dec. 24, 2020 at 5:44 p.m.
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I'm thinking he had a little extra leverage after Kucherov's season ending injury. Not sure this deal gets done otherwise.
Dec. 24, 2020 at 5:46 p.m.
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Steal. Someone really should have offer sheeted him.
Dec. 24, 2020 at 6:18 p.m.
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Pretty apt value...tad surprised Tampa didn't go through the 1 year cheaper deal route.
Dec. 24, 2020 at 6:58 p.m.
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To all the people saying Tampa Bay faked Kucherov's injury, why would they pretend that their best player, who is probably a top 5 player in the league, is injured?
Dec. 24, 2020 at 7:12 p.m.
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Barkov? Are you insane. Barkov is 10x better with a much. Much. higher ceiling. Since his 3rd season Barkov has been a point a game player. He is 2 years older and already has (5) 20+ goal seasons and one 30 goal season.

He fell four points short of 100pts at 23 years old.

Cirelli has 94 career points.

Simmer down. He is in the same conversation defensively, but Barkov is an Elite Franchise player. Cirelli is a good NHL player.

Cirelli .56 ppg
Barkov .85 ppg

Trochek is a better comparison.


If they both play 1000 games


I'm not comparing him to Barkov today that's obviously insane.

I'm comparing him to Barkov in January 2016. He had just come off seasons with 24 and 36 points and was playing much better but just a half season at about a 65 point pace.

What he has done since is irrelevant as that wasn't known at the time.
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Dec. 24, 2020 at 7:23 p.m.
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You guys are so spoiled in Tampa. I don't know the gm keeps getting people signed below market. Market value would likely have been 6ish


I totally agree. Spoiled Tampa fans.
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Dec. 24, 2020 at 10:29 p.m.
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seem like they paid more for all 3 RFA than people on here guessed. Cirelli was the 4-4.5 margin. 4.8 doesn't really seem like a steal.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 1:16 a.m.
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Very good player and very good Cap hit. This kid can play! Great in both ends of the Ice and these guys are hard to find. SCORE for the Lightning!
Dec. 25, 2020 at 1:51 a.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
Barkov halfway through his third season was not world's better. Barkov then is NOT Barkov today


Barkov was still better; look at ppg, look at faceoffs, look at linemates
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: Bolts20Cup
Tampa Bay under cap absolutely no dumps https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2146252


Even in your manufactured team here they are a bit over the cap and that includes putting $10M of cap on the taxi squad.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
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Barkov was still better; look at ppg, look at faceoffs, look at linemates


His ppg was worse for two years and better for half a year and he had better linemates...
Dec. 25, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
His ppg was worse for two years and better for half a year and he had better linemates...


Barkov = 191 games/119 points = .62ppg

Cirelli = 168 games/94 points = .55ppg
Dec. 25, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Barkov = 191 games/119 points = .62ppg

Cirelli = 168 games/94 points = .55ppg


He was signed in January not after the season.

He was signed Jan 25, 2016 he has played 38 games in the season at that point. He had 30 points in the 38 games at that point.

That changes it to 163 GP and 90 points or 0.55 ppg
Dec. 25, 2020 at 2:55 p.m.
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He was signed in January not after the season.

He was signed Jan 25, 2016 he has played 38 games in the season at that point. He had 30 points in the 38 games at that point.

That changes it to 163 GP and 90 points or 0.55 ppg


If you want to compare apples to apples, you compare what they both accomplished in their first 3 seasons. Another factor is, clearly the difference in age between the two
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:48 p.m.
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You guys are so spoiled in Tampa. I don't know the gm keeps getting people signed below market. Market value would likely have been 6ish

The ownership is the best in sports and the area is awesome to live and in no state income tax
 
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