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TB Has 2 Shed 11 Million

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Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 25, 2020
Published: Dec. 25, 2020
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Is TB at the mercy of the other 30 teams?
$11 million is 3 contracts 4 sure.
Who can be traded?
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$92,454,166$0$0-$10,954,166
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, C, LW
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UFA - 4
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,450,000$4,450,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,166,666$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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$737,500$737,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
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NMC
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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If Kuch can go to LTIR, does that change the cap hit?
Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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Kucherov goes to long-term injury reserve Free’s up 9 1/2 mill you set the practice squad or taxi squad or whatever you wanna call it and boom you’re done you’re about 150 200,000 below cap
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:41 a.m.
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Kucherov to LTIR makes it just 1.4 to clear off.... Goodrow and COleman could go and be replaced with league minimum or ELCs
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:42 a.m.
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Nope Kucherov's $9.5 mil comes off just trade Cederic Paquette for a 7 or future considerations done.
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Sean4417
Kucherov to LTIR makes it just 1.4 to clear off.... Goodrow and COleman could go and be replaced with league minimum or ELCs

Paquette Coburn taxi squad maybe Johnson
Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:49 a.m.
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They can move Kuch to LTIR, making it so they only have to clear 1 contract.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:50 a.m.
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If Kuch can go to LTIR, does that change the cap hit?


Yes his cap will be exempt as long as he is on LTIR but the moment he is healthy he will count again so they have to clear space in advance of that. As it is now, they can run a 20 man roster and be compliant but any minor injury and they are below 20 people because to bring a guy off the taxi squad you need space for him. And they have none, guys on IR still count against the cap. So anything minor and they have no space to fill the spot.
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:52 a.m.
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Yes his cap will be exempt as long as he is on LTIR but the moment he is healthy he will count again so they have to clear space in advance of that. As it is now, they can run a 20 man roster and be compliant but any minor injury and they are below 20 people because to bring a guy off the taxi squad you need space for him. And they have none, guys on IR still count against the cap. So anything minor and they have no space to fill the spot.


They are saying he won't be healthy until playoffs and as we all know, there's no salary cap in the playoff so the cap won't be an issue.
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:56 a.m.
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You forgot to move him to LTIR instead of regular IR
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Bolts20Cup
Kucherov goes to long-term injury reserve Free’s up 9 1/2 mill you set the practice squad or taxi squad or whatever you wanna call it and boom you’re done you’re about 150 200,000 below cap


But any minor injury and you can't even call someone up from the taxi squad. Like if a player gets sick they will not dress and you have no space to call up a replacement from the taxi squad. And you can't use LTiR unless there is a reasonable assumption he will miss 10 games. So let's say Killorn gets the flu, you need to sit him but since you only have 150k in space you can't afford a replacement and you have to play with 19 players. Tampa still needs a good amount of space
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:00 a.m.
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Paquette Coburn taxi squad maybe Johnson


Taxi squad requires waivers to go back and forth...
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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They are saying he won't be healthy until playoffs and as we all know, there's no salary cap in the playoff so the cap won't be an issue.


And if he heals faster? You can't artificial hold a guy out.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:05 a.m.
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And if he heals faster? You can't artificial hold a guy out.


Surgery is normally something that you can say how long it happens and how long the player stays away.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
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And if he heals faster? You can't artificial hold a guy out.


Typically when they give a timeline, it's pretty spot on. Same thing happened when Kane broke his collarbone in 2015, they loaded up at the deadline, he came back for game 1 of the playoffs, and the hawks won it all.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: Bolts20Cup
Paquette Coburn taxi squad maybe Johnson


Johnson's too good to be on the taxi squad especially with Kucherov injured
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.
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And if he heals faster? You can't artificial hold a guy out.

The most you can hold a guy out is probably 2 weeks max for a conditioning stint but other than that it’s pretty strict in the CBA. The NHL can question the validity of injury/recovery and have an independent doctor do an assessment to confirm per the CBA.
Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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Johnson's too good to be on the taxi squad especially with Kucherov injured


Johnson already passed through waivers so he's technically already on the taxi squad. Probably wont stay there though
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 11:16 a.m.
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Kuchervov 9.5m LTIR saves Tampa for now. Killorn certainly is tradable (to limited number of needed) if needed. The easiest trades that saves cap though Tampa doesn't want to it are Sergachev, Cirelli and Cernak
Dec. 25, 2020 at 5:59 p.m.
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Surgery is normally something that you can say how long it happens and how long the player stays away.


Usually yup but as he nears being cleared it will be easy to see if the team is purposely keeping him out of the lineup just to circumvent the cap. It's like when Robidas and Lupal were both on LTIR people accused the Leafs of just saying they were injured to save cap. The players have to have medical evaluations proving it.
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Dec. 25, 2020 at 6:01 p.m.
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The most you can hold a guy out is probably 2 weeks max for a conditioning stint but other than that it’s pretty strict in the CBA. The NHL can question the validity of injury/recovery and have an independent doctor do an assessment to confirm per the CBA.


Exactly so Tampa likely needs to clear cap to ensure they can be compliant and if they don't do it by the trade deadline they will have to pay an even bigger price (players can be traded after the deadline but won't be able to suit up for their new team until the next season)
Dec. 25, 2020 at 7:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Sean4417
Taxi squad requires waivers to go back and forth...


So claim Paquette Coburn or Johnson free the cap space
Dec. 25, 2020 at 7:25 p.m.
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The same surgery for point was 4 months
Gourde was around 3 1/2
Both had the same surgeon performing the same surgery
Dec. 25, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.
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And if he heals faster? You can't artificial hold a guy out.

Hey I don’t know my hip just doesn’t feel right hard to prove it doesn’t
Dec. 25, 2020 at 8:51 p.m.
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Hey I don’t know my hip just doesn’t feel right hard to prove it doesn’t


Science bro
Dec. 25, 2020 at 8:52 p.m.
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Science bro


Have you ever had a joint surgery? Soft tissue around the injury really hard to disprove
 
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