Quoting: JuniorGM
Quoting: F50marco
Quoting: JuniorGM
Quoting: palhal
Quoting: ceil
thats bad for yotes
Agree. You make the Duclair suggestion.....then you put in Chychrun in the trade too. Yotes aren't trading Chychrun....young and cheap,
People are overvalueing Duclair and seriously under valuing myers. His own team only plays duclair like a 3rd liner. So you treat him like a 3rd liner with some upside. Yotes have made it clear he is on the block and why does no one view Myers as a good top 4 dmen? His shot stats are right in line and the man does something all teams want... he scores at a very high rate 5vs5. Lowry has also been better then Duclair this year at everything. Shot stats, points and special teams plus hes a center.
OMG I can't believe your so entrenched in advanced stats that you actually think Lowry is better than Duclair....... No i think you overvalue you're Jets players too much and pick and choose advanced stats to down play other teams players..... especially if they are having a bad year.
"why does no one view Myers as a good top 4 dmen?" I don't think anyone thinks he's not a good top 4 but rather not worth a potential top pairing dman in Chychrun and a young sniper who is deemed a "3rd liner" because he's playing on the teams 3rd line at the age of 21 on a terrible team BTW.
Trouba was playing on bottom pairing for quite a while, is he a bottom pairing dman?
A young sinper? His own team has him playing the 4th least time on the team. Trouba was alway top 3 in icetime on the jets even playing on the "bottom pair" Duclair hasn't been good at all. Lowry was good his rookie season and has been very good so far this season. Bigger sample size to compare. Like people get stats are just game results I don't make them up they are there because of what happened in the game. Chychrun fall in the draft because most teams felt he doesn't have top pair talent. That was the know on him his upside is limited. Do you people just come to these conclusions out of thin air? You never stat why you think this. Never show any proof nothing. Don't get me wrong Duclair's numbers last year were very good but his team (one based heavily on advance stats) have falling out of love with him. That should tell people something.
I will concede that the Trouba comparison wasn't the best but you're reasoning for damning him is counter intuitive for wanting him in your trade in the first place. Aw he sucks as player clearly, he's a 3rd-4th liner based on statistics and what the Coyotes think of him, he's a terrible player...........but I'll take him off your hands and play him on my top line......??????? You're so full of it, its annoying.
Duclair through 20 games on the worst team in the league has been deemed a bad player all of a sudden? Maybe he's just learning the ropes in his second full season in the NHL? You know, sophomore slump as they say? No that's impossible......terrible player for the rest of his career because 20 games into his second season he's not lighting it up and his coach isn't giving him top line minutes? Give it up man.
Chychrun fell because of exactly what you mentioned but you know what? He's been proving all those people wrong at the age of 18. He's sticking with a terrible Arizona team that has no need to play him this year. Therefore he's making Chayka look real smart for taking when they did. Maybe this is just the beginning and he could actually become that player people were thinking he could be when he was battling for 1st overall at the start of last year.
Don't dismiss me thinking Lowry is garbage. He is a good depth player but he's just that. A depth player. He'll never be top 6 material. Where as Duclair right now even in a slump that he's in, can be in a top 6 lineup on some teams.
This is part that really ruffles my feathers with you though - " Do you people just come to these conclusions out of thin air? You never stat why you think this. Never show any proof nothing."
That is so condescending because advanced stats apparently dictate the winner every time right? If that was the case the team with the best possession will always win which isn't the case.
I've watched Duclair, Lowry, Chychrun and Myers and have been able to formulate my opinion on these players based off what I've seen. I've now augmented my evaluation by using advanced stats to strengthen/change my original analysis but I don't blindly construe my opinion based on statistics on a spreadsheet. Why don't you give it a try?
If your looking for statistics to back up what my eyes see then I'm sorry I CAN'T TAKE MY FRACKING EYEBALLS OUT OF MY SOCKETS AND GIVE THEM TO YOU, to prove it.
As for proof i can give you, the below link shows that "Duclair could be had for the right price" and "Despite Duclair's current slump, Kypreos said the Coyotes could still be asking for a big return." So expecting a 3rd liner type return for him is silly on your part. He's having a bad season and hasn't played well so far this season at all but given his talent and ability, the Yotes aren't going to throw him away for less than value because he hasn't played well for 20 games as a 21 year old in his second full season.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyotes-anthony-duclair-trade-market/