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(OTT/TBL) - Gáborík, Nilsson for Coburn, Paquette

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Dec 27, 2020 at 10:26
#26
Denzel Moshington
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So OTT picks up usable bodies (and deadline bait) Derek Stepan, Braydon Coburn & Cedric Paquette by moving down maybe 5-15 spots in the 2nd round, and TBL potentially dodges moving Johnson, Killorn, or other depth & brings almost everyone back for another Cup run by running on LTIR for the year.
Dec 27, 2020 at 10:52
#27
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Quoting: Brian2016
Question: How does this help Tampa's cap situation? They're $17M over the cap right now. Isn't there a limit to how much salary they can place on LTIR? Otherwise, what would stop a team from taking every other teams' bad contracts in exchange for other assets?


There is no limit to LTIR. The reason LTIR contracts aren’t traded, is because as long as they’re insured, they don’t really make much difference unless the team wants/needs to accrue cap space. So there’s no reason for players like Kesler, Hossa, or Zetterberg to be traded.

In this case trading Gaborik helps Ottawa not go over the 50 contract limit and also allows them to accrue cap space, meaning that if they don’t make more moves they’d have $36 million in deadline cap space. Trading Nilsson also accomplishes that, while saving real money.
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Dec 27, 2020 at 11:20
#28
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TB is not a better team after this deal.

I think this trade is telling though. 3.35 in cap space, on 1 year deal cost them a 2nd.
Their odds of moving someone like TJ was non existent in that kind of a market.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:33
#29
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Why didn't the Devils get in on this???? They have the most cap space in the league with only Bratt unsigned and only have 17 roster spots filled.
Dec 28, 2020 at 1:49
#30
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Quoting: FireShero
Why didn't the Devils get in on this???? They have the most cap space in the league with only Bratt unsigned and only have 17 roster spots filled.


Coburn would only waive for a chance to win. :-D
Dec 28, 2020 at 1:54
#31
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Quoting: pharrow
TB is not a better team after this deal.

I think this trade is telling though. 3.35 in cap space, on 1 year deal cost them a 2nd.
Their odds of moving someone like TJ was non existent in that kind of a market.


They are though. Because it means they can play Johnson instead of having him in the minors/taxi squading or losing someone to waivers.
Dec 28, 2020 at 2:43
#32
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Tampa didn't lose anyone they really cared about and got out of their problems. They win.
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Dec 28, 2020 at 8:41
#33
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Quoting: kaljakori
Tampa didn't lose anyone they really cared about and got out of their problems. They win.


So many people seem not to understand this. Once again, Lightning front Office has surfed through cap hell in style, without losing any important piece of its roster/prospect pool.
Dec 28, 2020 at 10:05
#34
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Quoting: HabsForEver
It's bad because they should be able to get more for taking on cap space. Ottawa gets better, but it doesn't change the fact that they are nowhere close to a playoff team

A 2 got Detroit to take on 5.7 and staal how’s is this a bad deal? Especially for the tightwad Melnyk. Nilsson contract isn’t insured and Gaborik is 80% saving Melnyk
Approximately 3.2 mil in real dollars
Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06
#35
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Quoting: kaljakori
Tampa didn't lose anyone they really cared about and got out of their problems. They win.

It’s a win-win
A 2 got Detroit to take on 5.7 and staal how’s is this a bad deal? Especially for the tightwad Melnyk. Nilsson contract isn’t insured and Gaborik is 80% saving Melnyk
Approximately 3.2 mil in real dollars
Dec 28, 2020 at 10:50
#36
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Quoting: Brian2016
So OTT gets that 2nd rounder back from the Stepan trade. So what was the point of this entire exercise, besides making Tampa better?

Save tightwad Melnyk 3.2 mil in real dollars 2.6 of Nilssons uninsured contract and 600+k left uninsured part of Gaboriks
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Dec 28, 2020 at 11:59
#37
Epiman2
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Fair deal. Ottawa gets some more veteran leadership and a pick while Tampa effectively gets under the cap with this trade.
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Dec 28, 2020 at 12:44
#38
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Quoting: Bolts20Cup
A 2 got Detroit to take on 5.7 and staal how’s is this a bad deal? Especially for the tightwad Melnyk. Nilsson contract isn’t insured and Gaborik is 80% saving Melnyk
Approximately 3.2 mil in real dollars


Guess that's fair
Dec 28, 2020 at 7:57
#39
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Quoting: Rangsey
Coburn would only waive for a chance to win. :-D


Even after just winning the Stanley Cup? Thought NJ would give him a better chance of playing regularly than in OTT.
Dec 28, 2020 at 9:11
#40
Romanov for Calder
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Quoting: FireShero
Even after just winning the Stanley Cup? Thought NJ would give him a better chance of playing regularly than in OTT.


Oh, he should play regularly in OTT. His competition is Gudbranson, Reilly, Brown, etc
Dec 28, 2020 at 11:27
#41
Serf
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Quoting: HabsFan9
Oh, he should play regularly in OTT. His competition is Gudbranson, Reilly, Brown, etc


They want Gudbranson to play with Chabot to start, and they want Wolanin to play. So it’s Coburn, Reilly and JBrown for the last two spots. Coburn is a better option for PK than Reilly, and that might be a reason to play him, with JBrown.
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Dec 29, 2020 at 9:58
#42
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Good and fair deal for both sides. Ottawa picks up another top-64 pick and gets a little over 2M in real dollar savings. Tampa gets help with their cap crunch for this season.[
It’s actually 3.2 in real dollars all 2.6!of Nilssons and 20% of Gaborik 600+k
Dec 29, 2020 at 12:40
#43
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Quoting: Rangsey
They moved effectively nothing to get better on the PK and defensive depth. How is this a bad trade for them.

It's a win for hockey because Ottawa is actually spending money.


The trade save Melnick 3.2 million in real dollars how is that spending money
Dec 29, 2020 at 12:43
#44
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Quoting: Zwui21
So many people seem not to understand this. Once again, Lightning front Office has surfed through cap hell in style, without losing any important piece of its roster/prospect pool.

Glad Tampa Bay Has the best management team in the league
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Dec 29, 2020 at 12:46
#45
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Quoting: Brian2016
So OTT gets that 2nd rounder back from the Stepan trade. So what was the point of this entire exercise, besides making Tampa better?

Melnyk saves 3.2 mil real dollars
Dec 29, 2020 at 11:35
#46
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Quoting: Bolts20Cup
And opens cap space to help the bolts
Make another cup run


Quoting: Rangsey
They moved effectively nothing to get better on the PK and defensive depth. How is this a bad trade for them.

It's a win for hockey because Ottawa is actually spending money.


With Gaboriks contract 80% insured and Nilssons completely uninsured Ottawa saves 3.2 mil real US dollars so like 5 mil Canadian
Dec 30, 2020 at 9:25
#47
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Brian2016
Question: How does this help Tampa's cap situation? They're $17M over the cap right now. Isn't there a limit to how much salary they can place on LTIR? Otherwise, what would stop a team from taking every other teams' bad contracts in exchange for other assets?


There is no limit on LTIRs. Why should they? Teams aren't cap punished for having injured players. Having Gaborik and Nillson going to Tampa doesn't help/or hurt Tampa's cap situation. It just saved the Senators3.2m in really $$$$. due to 20% of uninsured LTIR of the two players. The reality is the Sens got a second rounder and one year of Pacquette for taking on Cobouns 1.7m one year cap hit. I wish folks wouldn't be so concerned about the trading of LTIR players ... 99% of the time it has absolutely nothing to do with either teams actually cap.
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Dec 30, 2020 at 12:01
#48
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Quoting: palhal
There is no limit on LTIRs. Why should they? Teams aren't cap punished for having injured players. Having Gaborik and Nillson going to Tampa doesn't help/or hurt Tampa's cap situation. It just saved the Senators3.2m in really $$$$. due to 20% of uninsured LTIR of the two players. The reality is the Sens got a second rounder and one year of Pacquette for taking on Cobouns 1.7m one year cap hit. I wish folks wouldn't be so concerned about the trading of LTIR players ... 99% of the time it has absolutely nothing to do with either teams actually cap.


Yeah. It's more like the old trade where teams just straight up added money in a trade.

Paquette
Coburn
A second
3.2 million in cash.

For Cap Space.
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Dec 30, 2020 at 3:10
#49
GM67
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Ottawa made a terrific move with this deal. THEY get back the 2nd round pick which is perfect. They Get TWO Super Solid dedicated and cheap costing players who bring experience and championship pedigree to their team. They DUMP unusable salary and free up more cap. Absolute WIN!!! Again, I LOVE what they are doing!
Dec 30, 2020 at 4:01
#50
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Quoting: jasondomitrovic
Ottawa made a terrific move with this deal. THEY get back the 2nd round pick which is perfect. They Get TWO Super Solid dedicated and cheap costing players who bring experience and championship pedigree to their team. They DUMP unusable salary and free up more cap. Absolute WIN!!! Again, I LOVE what they are doing!


Agree on all points except for that Ottawa didn't gain more cap.....Nilsson and Gaborik were on LTIR so their cap hit meant nothing. But it was good for Tampa too, getting rid of 4.3 in cap minus maybe 1.8m in replacements for a very needed 2.5m in actual cap saving.
 
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