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Stop with PLD go get Laine

Created by: funnybrothers2
Initial Creation Date: Jan 1, 2021
Published: Jan 1 at 11:38
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Trades
MTL
  1. Gignac, Brandon
NJD
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. Weal, Jordan
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (TBL)
  4. 2021 5th round pick (PHI)
MTL
  1. Lemieux, Brendan
NYR
  1. Mete, Victor
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
MTL
  1. Laine, Patrik
WPG
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Caufield, Cole [Reserve List]
  3. Brook, Josh
  4. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $3,958,333
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MTL
MTL
CHI
WSH
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$76,601,309$0$3,987,500$4,898,691
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW
UFA - 7
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$4,995,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$1,550,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Perry, Corey
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Allen, Jake
$4,350,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
$894,167
LD/RD
RFA - 2
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
MTL
Frolík, Michael
$750,000 ($0)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
$750,000 ($0)
C, RW
RFA - 2

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Jan 1 at 11:44
#1
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Huge overpayment
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Jan 1 at 11:49
#2
Thank You GMJR
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That doesn’t get Laine. Once again Laine starts with KK or Suzuki
Jan 2 at 12:03
#3
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Quoting: mhockey91
That doesn’t get Laine. Once again Laine starts with KK or Suzuki


Agreed, laine to MTL is a non starter as they’re not prepared to part with KK or Suzuki. Only other package I’d consider is Danault + Caufield + 2021 1st and 2021 2nd. It’s either that or Suzuki + Brook. MTL fans hate when people say it has to be KK or Suzuki. It’s like a Jets fan going to trade for Suzuki or KK and saying well give you Roslovic + Pionk for Suzuki, but nope Laine or Connor are untouchable.
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Jan 2 at 12:05
#4
wpg
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stick with PLD....
Jan 2 at 12:08
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Quoting: tsyls
Agreed, laine to MTL is a non starter as they’re not prepared to part with KK or Suzuki. Only other package I’d consider is Danault + Caufield + 2021 1st and 2021 2nd. It’s either that or Suzuki + Brook. MTL fans hate when people say it has to be KK or Suzuki. It’s like a Jets fan going to trade for Suzuki or KK and saying well give you Roslovic + Pionk for Suzuki, but nope Laine or Connor are untouchable.

I’m not a jets or canadiens fan, but I’d stay away from Laine. He’s a great goal scorer, but he’s one dimensional. His defensive game is a liability and at that price, I’d rather have Caufield, KK, or Suzuki (at a much cheaper price) and spend the difference elsewhere. Good teams are built down the middle and with top end dmen. Don’t spend on one-dimensional wingers.
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Jan 2 at 12:30
#6
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I love how you trade for Laine and then play him on the second line placing a vastly inferior player in front of him on the first line. Brilliant. sarcasm
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Jan 2 at 12:38
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Quoting: MJCrv
I’m not a jets or canadiens fan, but I’d stay away from Laine. He’s a great goal scorer, but he’s one dimensional. His defensive game is a liability and at that price, I’d rather have Caufield, KK, or Suzuki (at a much cheaper price) and spend the difference elsewhere. Good teams are built down the middle and with top end dmen. Don’t spend on one-dimensional wingers.


The amount of times I’ve had this conversation today blows my mind. I’m not sure whether you just never watched the Jets or only rely on advanced stats, but laine has made very very steady improvements to his 200 ft game. He was one of the better defensive forwards for the Jets. @MisstheWhalers @Windjammer here we go again
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Jan 2 at 12:57
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Quoting: tsyls
The amount of times I’ve had this conversation today blows my mind. I’m not sure whether you just never watched the Jets or only rely on advanced stats, but laine has made very very steady improvements to his 200 ft game. He was one of the better defensive forwards for the Jets. @MisstheWhalers @Windjammer here we go again


I think laine is a superstar a project if that makes sense. First three years he was trying to be a pure sniper but teams adjusted, last year you could see a huge difference in his play(defence, going to dirty areas), but his goal scoring did kind of plateau last 1.5 seasons as compared to first 2.5. If he can combine his pure goal scoring of the first 2.5 with the defence/willingness to go to tough area of past 1.5 areas he’ll definitely be a top 5 winger in the league popping 45-50 a year.

But I can see some teams being wary of putting together a huge package as all of this means that he still hasn’t quite put it all together yet.
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Jan 2 at 1:53
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Quoting: Theozler
I think laine is a superstar a project if that makes sense. First three years he was trying to be a pure sniper but teams adjusted, last year you could see a huge difference in his play(defence, going to dirty areas), but his goal scoring did kind of plateau last 1.5 seasons as compared to first 2.5. If he can combine his pure goal scoring of the first 2.5 with the defence/willingness to go to tough area of past 1.5 areas he’ll definitely be a top 5 winger in the league popping 45-50 a year.

But I can see some teams being wary of putting together a huge package as all of this means that he still hasn’t quite put it all together yet.


This is exactly how I view laine, almost as a goal scoring power forward when he reaches his full potential. I get why teams would be wary, but the potential is so high.
Jan 2 at 7:15
#10
Go Wings Go
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Yeah sorry but that doesn't get you Patrik Laine, PLD would be better but then again both will cost you either KK or Suzuki.
Jan 2 at 3:00
#11
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Quoting: tsyls
The amount of times I’ve had this conversation today blows my mind. I’m not sure whether you just never watched the Jets or only rely on advanced stats, but laine has made very very steady improvements to his 200 ft game. He was one of the better defensive forwards for the Jets. @MisstheWhalers @Windjammer here we go again

Laine is great on the power play, but not so much 5v5. He’s really good at zone exits, but not great at creating 5v5 scoring chances from high % areas. He takes a lot of low % shots.

And sorry, but defensively, not good. He may be working on it, but that doesn’t make him good at it.

He’s a good hockey player overall because of his skill level, but because he’s a winger and not a great defensive player, he’s just not worth the salary and the prospects it would take to get him.
Jan 2 at 3:17
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Quoting: MJCrv
Laine is great on the power play, but not so much 5v5. He’s really good at zone exits, but not great at creating 5v5 scoring chances from high % areas. He takes a lot of low % shots.

And sorry, but defensively, not good. He may be working on it, but that doesn’t make him good at it.

He’s a good hockey player overall because of his skill level, but because he’s a winger and not a great defensive player, he’s just not worth the salary and the prospects it would take to get him.


Again @tsyls more outdated thinking by a poster that hasn't watched Laine play or done any research. Just basing his evalution off of troll posts on message boards.
Jan 2 at 4:21
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Quoting: Windjammer
Again @tsyls more outdated thinking by a poster that hasn't watched Laine play or done any research. Just basing his evalution off of troll posts on message boards.


Yeah, honestly I don’t know what to say hahah. The guy just purely basing his opinion on advanced stats. I get it, they paint a picture, but you’re missing 65% of the picture if you’re not considering context, and other intangibles. I stopped even answering these people, it gets exhausting arguing with a brick wall.
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Jan 2 at 5:31
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Quoting: Windjammer
Again @tsyls more outdated thinking by a poster that hasn't watched Laine play or done any research. Just basing his evalution off of troll posts on message boards.

And nothing about Laine can change the fact that good teams are built down the middle, with top end d, and solid goaltending. High paid wingers are typically not a great investment.
Jan 2 at 6:32
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Quoting: MJCrv
And nothing about Laine can change the fact that good teams are built down the middle, with top end d, and solid goaltending. High paid wingers are typically not a great investment.


Now that is at least is a defendable position. Your other points in your previous post were based on nonsense gathered from troll posts on Laine from two years ago and have no merit.
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