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Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 2, 2021
Published: Jan. 2, 2021
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I love Byron and if his cap was around 2.5m max we could justify keeping him on the Taxi Squad but the reality is with our top 9 being deep enough its pushed Armia to 4th line by Proxy .... its time to let Byron go.

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Figured i'd try out CGY next
Bennet could use a new home and he'd be ideal to lead our 4th line along side Perry and Armia.
CGY doesnt lose production in taking on Byron and also get 2 good picks and the chance to flip Byron at a later date .

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MTL
  1. Bennett, Sam
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Bennets Ice time and production has dropped from 36 points and 15 minutes to 12 points and 12 minutes making him and Byron productively around the same right now so CGY's team today isnt left with a hole if they trade Bennet just a loss of youth.

That said Bennett since his rookie season in CGY as basically Declined or Plateaued. This might be CGY's less chance to make a deal with a 1st round pick + coming back
CGY
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
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-Conditional 2nd awarded if Byron is bought out before the 2022-23 Seasons.

MTL gives up what will hopefully be Late Round Picks if we make a deep playoff push making the cost worth it.
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2021
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23$81,500,000$74,016,309$0$3,137,500$7,483,691

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Jan. 2, 2021 at 4:43 p.m.
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PlusMinus is stupid
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Remove the 2nd and you have a deal. Absolutely zero interest in Byron, so you'll have to pay us to take him.
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
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that's a waste of a first round pick
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:01 p.m.
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Bergevin didn’t brought Nate Thompson back because he is confident Poehling or Evans will take the 4C.
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:02 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
that's a waste of a first round pick


The 1st was to be a 26th-32nd assuming we made it out of the 1st round of the playoffs.
DET being DET i assume the 2nd round pick would be 33rd-40th so we'd only be losing minimum 1 to maximum 14 spots in the draft (depending on where we all end up in the playoff picture )

I figured them getting to move up and get a 2nd to take Byron and flip him at the TDL to a team for a prospect or picks plural.
Glendenning is a UFA after this year anyways so it gives them a chance to flip him to a contender for profit knowing the Michigan Native will likely be back.

But it seems like they arent interested in Byron even with the chance to upgrade one of their multiple 2nd's to a 1st
They want a 1st and a 3rd outright and i just cant see that happening .... two 2nd's maybe but a 1st and a 3rd outright is not likely
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:04 p.m.
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that's a waste of a first round pick


I agree but $3.4M for 3 years on a 31 year old winger is a cap dump from Detroit's pov. Especially since the cap is going to be flat for at least the next 3 seasons.
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:04 p.m.
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All this for 4th line players? It isn't even a need or necessary for thea 4th line center which you could get if you really wanted for a fraction of the price....

If you want a 4th liner centerman whose good on draws, there will be ample 750-950K guys available at this years TDL for a 4th or 5th rounder. Paying to get rid of Byron is such a waste. He's still a very good player. simply overpaid and we're not really in a cap bind.
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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The 1st was to be a 26th-32nd assuming we made it out of the 1st round of the playoffs.
DET being DET i assume the 2nd round pick would be 33rd-40th so we'd only be losing minimum 1 to maximum 14 spots in the draft (depending on where we all end up in the playoff picture )

I figured them getting to move up and get a 2nd to take Byron and flip him at the TDL to a team for a prospect or picks plural.
Glendenning is a UFA after this year anyways so it gives them a chance to flip him to a contender for profit knowing the Michigan Native will likely be back.

But it seems like they arent interested in Byron even with the chance to upgrade one of their multiple 2nd's to a 1st
They want a 1st and a 3rd outright and i just cant see that happening .... two 2nd's maybe but a 1st and a 3rd outright is not likely

The problem is being stuck with Byron. He has negative value at this stage. There is zero chance of being able to flip him for assets.

Also, as you already said, that 1st is not likely to be a high 1st, so why would we take on 3 years of dead cap just to move up a few picks and add a 3rd?
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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Bergevin didn’t brought Nate Thompson back because he is confident Poehling or Evans will take the 4C.


Poehling isnt ready

Evans on the other hand is very close but not consistent at Center so he'll stay on wing until he is for his own sake.
Evans plays hard but if we put him at Center on the 4th line this will be his 3rd concussion in 3 years.
He's just not aware enough of his surroundings at the NHL's speed playing Center and getting caught constantly with his head down.
NCAA Conditioning has not prepared them for NHL or AHL Full Seasons with 10 months of hockey.(They'll need time to transition in their first 4 years pro)


We have to get Danault Help winning Faceoffs as Suzuki nor KK are consistent enough with Faceoffs averaging 42-46%
They have nights they'll go 11/14 and then the next 2 games they'll be 3/14
Once they learn to be consistent all signs point to them doing well
That said this year is unlikely to be the year they both make that jump
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
The problem is being stuck with Byron. He has negative value at this stage. There is zero chance of being able to flip him for assets.

Also, as you already said, that 1st is not likely to be a high 1st, so why would we take on 3 years of dead cap just to move up a few picks and add a 3rd?


yeah that's just not realistic
I'll delete Glendenning just to be done with your version of Reality
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:18 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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I agree but $3.4M for 3 years on a 31 year old winger is a cap dump from Detroit's pov. Especially since the cap is going to be flat for at least the next 3 seasons.


We don't know that. Source?
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:26 p.m.
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We don't know that. Source?


What don't we know?
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:33 p.m.
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I see a lot of Montreal ACGMs trading Byron away, but that will require adding two qualifying forwards to the roster prior to the expansion draft because I'm pretty sure you're going to be protecting Anderson, Drouin, Evans, Gallagher, Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen and Toffoli, and no one else on your roster is likely to qualify (unless you intend to play Charlie Hudon 27 games).
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:33 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:16 p.m. by Ajp_18
Quoting: jpsnow13
We don't know that. Source?


a Cap Dump is someone who's making Lucic or Bobby Ryan(until he was bought out) money at Thompson production IMO
So i dont know why he's saying Cap Dump for Byron who's puts up 30 points regularly with 15-20 goals and just happens to be paid about 1m cap over his actual value.

I wish personally we could just trade him to a team , they could retain 1m then trade him back as at 2.4m i'd keep him 100%
But we cant do that sadly
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:36 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I see a lot of Montreal ACGMs trading Byron away, but that will require adding two qualifying forwards to the roster prior to the expansion draft because I'm pretty sure you're going to be protecting Anderson, Drouin, Evans, Gallagher, Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen and Toffoli, and no one else on your roster is likely to qualify (unless you intend to play Charlie Hudon 27 games).


we're just banking on Seattle taking Allen
His numbers are actually really good for a Tandem Goalie
Behind Price this year those numbers should go up

Looking at all the Goalies in the mock expansion draft that are likely to be exposed it just seems like after PIT traded Murray that there's few teams putting up a quality Goalie in the expansion(most are clear cut Back Ups good for 20-25 games a year as teams use 2-3 goalie rotations more and more.)

With Byron its more that we cant play him on 4th and there's no way he beats out any of our top 9 for a spot if Armia cant
If he could play 4th line Center we keep him 100% but we tried that and it was bad
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:38 p.m.
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we're just banking on Seattle taking Allen
His numbers are actually really good for a Tandem Goalie
Behind Price this year those numbers should go up

Looking at all the Goalies in the mock expansion draft that are likely to be exposed it just seems like after PIT traded Murray that there's few teams putting up a quality Goalie in the expansion(most are clear cut Back Ups good for 20-25 games a year as teams use 2-3 goalie rotations more and more.)


Yes, I'm positive Seattle will take Allen, but you still have to present them with two qualifying forwards first.
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Yes, I'm positive Seattle will take Allen, but you still have to present them with two qualifying forwards first.


i think Lehkonen and Evans get exposed
Evans should after this year require protection if im not mistaken
Lehkonen is good but a defensive player that isnt good enough that Kraken would pass up on Allen.

But honestly if we could make Byron staying work i'd be for it
But it just doesnt seem reasonable to try playing him as a 4th liner just to give him minutes
While guys like Perry/Frolik are ideal 4th liners who add size and whom you want come playoff time.

I love Byron but keeping him requires us to trade Tatar or Lehkonen
I just dont see how trading them makes us better although trading Tatar would be a lot easier then moving Byron i'm sure lol
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
All this for 4th line players? It isn't even a need or necessary for thea 4th line center which you could get if you really wanted for a fraction of the price....

If you want a 4th liner centerman whose good on draws, there will be ample 750-950K guys available at this years TDL for a 4th or 5th rounder. Paying to get rid of Byron is such a waste. He's still a very good player. simply overpaid and we're not really in a cap bind.


We are kinda tight on Cap going forward but we're at a point where we cant make Byron a starter
Keeping him to stay on Taxi Squad further devalue's him. So trading him ,Lehkonen or Tatar is the only logical move.
If i thought Seattle would take him then i'd say we're fine but with Allen being exposed there's like 0% chance they take Byron

Never said Byron wasnt Good still just that he doesnt make our top 9 cut and isnt tough enough for a playoff worthy 4th line.
Especially given his injuries the past 2 seasons this seems reckless at best.

Getting a 4th liner maybe cheaper at the TDL this year for sure but
Moving Byron out wont be and keeping him into next season isnt an option unless we're moving
Weber or Price's cap off the books i just cant see how it works(which i wouldnt do as i love SW/CP)
Jan. 2, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.
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I see a lot of Montreal ACGMs trading Byron away, but that will require adding two qualifying forwards to the roster prior to the expansion draft because I'm pretty sure you're going to be protecting Anderson, Drouin, Evans, Gallagher, Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen and Toffoli, and no one else on your roster is likely to qualify (unless you intend to play Charlie Hudon 27 games).


In your scenario, it would be Armia and Danault
Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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In your scenario, it would be Armia and Danault


Neither Armia nor Danault qualify. Or are you saying that those are the two guys Montreal would re-sign?
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.
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Neither Armia nor Danault qualify. Or are you saying that those are the two guys Montreal would re-sign?


You should really try the expansion draft tool, or read the FAQ.

UFA do qualify if the played 70 games in the last 2 seasons.
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Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:13 p.m.
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You should really try the expansion draft tool, or read the FAQ.

UFA do qualify if the played 70 games in the last 2 seasons.


I've done both, carefully. I think that you're wrong.
Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:16 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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I've done both, carefully. I think that you're wrong.


Well since I can't read it correctly for you, not much I can do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:18 p.m.
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Well since I can't read it correctly for you, not much I can do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


What is it about the threshold provision that specifies that ALL qualifying players be "under contract for the 2021-2022 season" -- thus explicitly ruling out UFAs -- that you don't understand? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:18 p.m.
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i think Lehkonen and Evans get exposed
Evans should after this year require protection if im not mistaken
Lehkonen is good but a defensive player that isnt good enough that Kraken would pass up on Allen.

But honestly if we could make Byron staying work i'd be for it
But it just doesnt seem reasonable to try playing him as a 4th liner just to give him minutes
While guys like Perry/Frolik are ideal 4th liners who add size and whom you want come playoff time.

I love Byron but keeping him requires us to trade Tatar or Lehkonen
I just dont see how trading them makes us better although trading Tatar would be a lot easier then moving Byron i'm sure lol


Non-senses, if Lehkonen is exposed, he’s going to Seattle
Protection List : Drouin Gallagher Danault Anderson Toffoli Kotkaniemi Lehkonen / Weber Petry Chiarot / Price

Byron Evans Tatar (UFA) Armia (UFA) Edmundson Kulak Mete Juulsen Fleury Allen will be available

Seattle pick whoever they want
Jan. 2, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
We don't know that. Source?


My source is the latest CBA where it says the cap will not raise more than $1M until the HHR exceeds $4B in consecutive seasons. With a 56 game season and most of North America lock down I'd be impressed if the NHL's HHR get to $2B so that means at least 3 seasons with a flat cap. I have a link so you can download the CBA if you need it.
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