Jarmo says no and hangs up

It’s really insane how much people are overvaluing PLD my god

Not even close, Why would Jarmo accept this offer? He can get by far better for PLD then this. At least offer Zacha++ for PLD. Hughes will be a much better 2C then PLD moving him to top line LW makes absolutely no sense as he's basically played Center his entire career as a young adult.

Columbus is sunk down the middle and has all the leverage with Dubois. Dubois remains in Oh

The disrespect hes gotten is worse. Hes a young 1C. hes 22 years old and is a first line center, he isnt going for some bum 3C, B+ prospect and a first. Knocking him for having a point total of 61 is just maddening considering he plays for cbus. Send him to an offense first team and watch his point totals skyrocket.

Yeah... MTL can blow that offer out of the water anyday

He’s a 1C like Monahan, Larkin, and Duchene are a 1C at best. He’s not a dominant 1C. And this is a top forward prospect projected as a top 6 scoring winger, a B prospect, a top 20 pick from this year’s draft, what is likely a top 10 pick in next year’s draft (if not top 5), and another 2nd. That’s an absurd package for a guy who’s reached 60 points once, between an MVP calibre winger and another guy who had a career year.

Starts with your 1c or 2c... their last names both start with a H

Bratt, Smith and a 1st is probably more in the ballpark

This is the perfect example of an offer that is valued differently depending on point of view.

Who's the best player in this offer?

Foote, Nolan
Merkley, Nick [RFA Rights]
Mukhamadullin, Shakir [Reserve List]
2021 1st round pick (NJD)
2022 2nd round pick (NJD)

It's the NJD 1st round pick.

Some people will say, wow, you're offering three 1st round pick players, with a 1st and a 2nd.
Others will say, meh, you're offering a 20th overall, 27th overall, a 30th overall and a couple picks for a 3rd overall.

So what is fair value?

It's the same as it is for every other good player, it's a roster player, a prospect, and a pick. The best players in the league get more, but as good as PLD may be, he isn't a top 10 centre, and he probably isn't a top 20 centre either. He won't be next season, or the season after either, because for every Getzlaf that falls out of the top 20 centres, there's a Petterson, Barzal, or Aho ready to take his place. People will say, but PLD is only 22, but so is Pettersson, and he's already considered a top centre after two seasons, and PLD isn't after three seasons. Every draft, new names get added to the list of possibilities.

Yes PLD is worth a decent package, but not as much as people have been offering. Offer a roster player, a prospect, and a pick

Hes better than Monahan and Duchene.


Youre also high on those prospects (and I say that as more of a prospect guy than an NHL guy). Foote is more projected as a middle 6 guy, Merkley as a "b prospect" is just genuinely hilarious, and Shakir is extremely controversial and divisive so who knows if CBJ even likes him. That first would be lotto protected surely. Yoy don't think any team, especially NYR and MTL could top that offer?



Also again its just incredibly dumb to use pts as an argument with no context

I think New Jersey is one of the prime teams to take a serious run at him. Columbus is sure to ask for a young NHL ready centre in return, and the Devils have 2, maybe 3. Not sure how much Zacha is seen as a centre which might throw Columbus off a bit. But I could definitely see one of Hughes or Hischier as the centre piece in a lot bigger deal.

Don;t think Devils should trade for PLD. We already have have Nico (similar playing style) and giving up alot and it would fill a lot holes for the Devils

I'm a Sens fan so prospects have basically been my life for the last couple years lol. I think you're undervaluing Foote, he's barely 20 and he has a lethal shot, I think he'll turn out to be at least a solid 20-30 goal guy on the 2nd line. Merkley I'll admit I'm personally not very high on but he hasn't been terrible in the AHL. It's still possible he could breakout (injuries have really derailed him), but even if he doesn't, he's probably good enough for a depth role now (like an Alan Quine type of guy, filled in for the Flames once in a while and was okay for soft usage on the 4th line). I personally had Mukhamadullin going around mid-2nd, but his package does have high upside. He was a stretch for the top 20 due to his floor and ceiling being hella far apart, but he's not a bad prospect, and likely wouldn't have fallen into the 3rd no matter what. CBJ's scouting is weird though, they had Chinakhov top 10 when most people had him in the 3rd at the earliest, maybe they really like Shakir too. Regardless, the most important piece is the 1st. Even if it's top 3 protected it should still be a top 6 or 7 pick, assuming they don't win the lottery. NJD is gonna get eaten alive in the East division this year. Buffalo added Hall and Staal and I have them finishing 7th, Johnsson and Murray aren't helping lol. So the worst way of looking at this is it's basically a good prospect, a top 10 pick, two mid-2nds (one already drafted), and a depth piece, which is a bigger package than basically anyone has gotten recently (better than the Hall package, that's for sure).

As for points not telling the whole story, that's true, but it's a pretty good indicator for a guy you want to be your 1C and lead the offense. He's fine defensively but not outstanding, and doesn't play on the PK. He may have further offensive upside, but his numbers from his first three years are worse than Duchene's and Monahan's, and only slightly better than Larkin's. He's not a top 20 centre for sure. Maybe even not top 25 or 30. Numbers aren't everything but if you can't create offense at an elite level then you shouldn't be considered a top tier offensive 1C. He's young and may grow into that, but there's a reason his bridge is 5mil and not around 7mil like Point, Tkachuk, etc. (yeah they signed an extra year, but his QO would still be lower than their cap hit if you count that as the 3rd year, and he'd need to bump up to 9mil to make the same amount over that time frame, which I highly doubt he'll get unless he puts up back to back years around a point per game, which he might, who knows, but even if he does that still leaves him in that Monahan/Larkin/Duchene tier lol, not a Barzal/Aho/Pettersson level).

I also agree that several teams could top this offer. That doesn't mean they should if he's not worth it. I give it a couple months before people on here are trading him for a 3rd liner and a 2nd, look at how people view Laine lol, crazy how people undervalue goals when that's literally the most important thing in hockey.