Game was harder to play in the 80s, Gaudreau style players are way better now. Just because you are too stupid to understand my analogies doesn’t make them dumb. So basically, these graphs tell me that Calgary scores 0.03 more goals every game with Gaudreau off the ice than on it? That’s about 2 extra a year. Wow. Now I’m convinced. He’s atrocious. Those are also only 5 on 5 and that’s where analytics fail. They don’t acknowledge the time you spent on the PP. That is a failure in it because when you are on the PP, you are reducing your legs to play 5 on 5. At the end of the day, the eye test is far superior to the algebraic model according 5 on 5 shots for and against with the assumption of 2 backcheckers on a 2 on 0 or some stupid analytics bull. You can say he’s a PP specialist but he generates way more points 5 on 5 than PP. I don’t think he’s top 5 in the world, he’s not top 20. McDavid, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Crosby, Barkov, Matthews, Eichel, Malkin, Pettersen, Barzal, Panarin, Stone, Kane, Pastrnak, Tkachuk, Lindholm, ROR, Couturier, Huberdeau, Marner, Scheifele, Connor, Marchand, Ovechkin, Zibanejad, Point, Kucherov, Stamkos, Aho, Teravainen, Svechnikov, Dubois, Rantanen are all better and that’s just forwards. He might be top 30 forwards. Maybe. But he’s better than Tarasenko. You just told me that I’m gonna call you names but I haven’t called you a single name yet and you called me a homer this whole time. I’ll stop trying to be civil considering that you have no life at all and spent the last week flying off the rails about an argument with somebody you met online and believe is an idiot. At least I kept it civil and it didn’t affect my well-being when your probably had aneurysm. Buddy, you’re a f*cking moron who has never watched enough hockey to understand that a red and blue graph determining 5 v 5 goals to the decimal without accounting outside factors determines a players entire value. You’ve also probably never played a shift because you don’t understand improvement and hard work and playing hockey actually does increase your ability to understand it. You don’t need it but sometimes it can’t be replaced. In conclusion, go f*ck yourself and get a life

Gaudreau is healthy. Tarasenko has a bum shoulder, and there is honestly a doubt if his career continues at all. If I were Calgary would stay the hell away from this deal.

Tell that to this @BeastModeUnknown dumb f*ck I’ve been arguing with all week

Tell that to Cf thanks for the insult bud. Very very fitting. Especially for someone getting annoyed that I'm putting up stats because



and look at the bottom another one. What are you like 7? I have a life, and it's more of one then you will ever know about. High School kid who has this fandom of Gaudreau. The ONE person out of everyone else in these comments said they agree with you well done you want a f*ckin cookie? You didn't even read the rest of my comments. I said he was a POWERPLAY SPECIALIST. You calling me dumb, you are illiterate apparently. Yeah an eye test and analytic combined is the best which by what you are telling me you only pay attention to he shoots he either saves it or gets a goal. NOW you say PP specialist, okay again, Blues are fine on the powerplay we need 5v5 goals, but you don't know enough about the blues. you only pay attention to calgary, and I don't even think you pay attention to them. Funny thing is I played hockey for over 9 years, and I coached for 4. You can't tell a puck from the sh*t that comes out your ass. I understand enough that Blues are built around dump and pickup and you have to be strong on the puck behind the net tiring out teams that's what Blues are good at and they do it very well. Gaudreau finesse, I'm going to take it up the ice and hope I get a shot off before I have to do anything else oop what do you know puck was lost, and he's not even strong enough to hold the puck behind the net he's not a grinder he's a finesse forward. 5"9 165 f*ckin pounds isn't gonna do anything trying to stay strong on the puck behind the net, and sure as hell doesn't do what Blues are really good at forecheck he couldn't knock a guy off the puck for sh*t. Tarasenko is 6"0 225 pounds and is really solid on the puck. Again you wanna know why I know Gaudreau won't work. Robby Fabbri is the same player he was crap here and he's doing better in detroit. So try me again as a "****" just because Blues value Tarasenko more doesn't mean he's better. I said Blues wouldn't do this trade because "BLUES VALUE TARASENKO MORE" he's more effective than Gaudreau would be. The common thing among Blues players our smallest forward is 5"10 190 pounds. Fabbri was the smallest one before he got traded. So say I don't know my team for sh*t, but like I said you can't teach a guy who wants the puck on his stick 90% of the time, how to grind behind the boards with a dump n chase when he's so f*cking small. So again please call me out on sh*t I don't say. Who's really the **** now, because I gave you multiple reason, he is less effective on the ice, he's a PP speciallist when if you listened to Blues fans said specifically a 5v5 Goal Scorer Gaudreau is not that, someone who is again Cost efficient, and someone who people won't ask an arm and a leg for a scrub production when you are getting 6.5M per year,

The only thing you could come up with is Wayne Gretzky, Idk advanced analytics so i'm going to scrutinize it, and calling me a **** for knowing my own team better than a f*cking Calgary 15 year old fanboy does. I've been watching the Blues for over 20 years. You've been watching Calgary for how long? So please please watch what you say on here. You are making yourself look stupid. Can't name how many people have called me one of the most knowledgable blues fans on here when it comes to analytics, theory, logistic, ideals, team scheme systems, player build, and how players will be effective on the the Blues the team I have had season tickets for the past 10 years, and have not missed a Blues game in over 15 years. Difference between Blues and Flames, Blues aren't a flashy team that gets tired and can't play defense, inconsistent, and not physical enough to wear teams out in playoffs. You have a team that is very good in season and terrible in playoffs. Tarasenko "has a bum shoulder" yeah but after every single shoulder surgery he's still consistently put up 65 points+ Gaudreau works for your team because he scores for YOUR PP, he wouldn't work on ours I'll tell you why, Blues cycle, Gaudreau likes to run the PP on his own when they score or he finds someone else. Blues aren't a 1T team, they are a dirty tipping team on PP.

So where you fail to realize is yes I'm bring up statlines, but I can't bring up logistic reasons on scheme because a **** like you would be like OOOOOOHHH he has 99 points he's worth every f*ckin player on your team, and he's gonna do so well for you so we should get more. It's why Pietrangelo would have been bad on Toronto, that's why Karlsson doesn't really work in San Jose unless they build around him, it's why some players like Taylor Hall don't work well on Arizona. It's why Kessel is crap in Arizona, it's why Galchenyuk sucks when he isn't in the built scheme system that Montreal had. But who am I to tell the all knowing FlamingL what I know. How dare I defy what he says because it goes against what he wants, how dare I go against his wishes, how dare I make him become butthurt, well at this point couple things, grow a pair, telling me how I don't have a life, funny thing is you are the one making an argument with insults left and right I can be just as uncivilized as you. I've done it before. But someone told me something you can't fix stupid which is example one right here this guy named TheFlamingC kid. and 2 opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

But I think you are just to daft to understand any mechanics in the NHL. You can't teach winning atmosphere, you teach a winning gameplan ****, something your team hasn't learned yet. If you wanna be a f*ckin moron this is the right place for you, but you just joined my minimal list of incompetent hockey casuals. So thanks for the convo and have a fun time observing the season unfold, but yeah I don't speak stupid so at this point I've already lost enough brain cells from you.

Alright buddy, by the way, I’d just like to say that I actually played pro hockey and have been around the game for 40 years now so don’t tell me about these you can’t learn bullsh*t stuff. I’ve seen tons of guys (including myself) just put in the work and have great results happen. Johnny can be the same. Honestly, this novel is the first comment you’ve made that has actually forced me to appreciate where your coming from ironically considering you bashed and attacked me as a human being multiple times. You actually made a case for why this doesn’t work instead of your analytics bull. Now I can actually appreciate your opinion and understand why you think that way. I think more from a player’s perspective given I was a player for longer than I was a fan and obviously you have been a fan longer than a player. Gaudreau can change how he plays, but your not gonna think that because of different hockey experiences. You keep calling me a homer who only watches the Flames, check out my forums post I made. Season predictions, it has a draft, draft rankings, expansion draft, standings, playoffs, awards, all nhl teams, anything you can imagine happening this season and I made my predictions on it and defended my points. Check out the links in the page as well, you may not read them but I wrote an entire book about every team in the NHL defending my points, previewing the season, talked about all the playoff match ups I see. Just skim it over, I know my stuff and am not the homer you think I am. I’m done with this argument, you’re not going to understand my opinion so I’m giving it up.

I played hockey for 9 years, and I've been coaching for the past 4 years. I seriously doubt you are in your 40s or 50s right now, because one you wouldn't be on here, for 2 you wouldn't talk like that whatsoever. 3 you are still trying to insult me now saying that you've been around the game longer. Not neccessarily because I've had to change my teams play system 4 years in row. Because it's High School Hockey, your seniors who are your core players are built differently each year. First year we didn't have anyone who was good at controlling the puck when driving, but they were all 6"1+ 200+ Pounds. Big bodies, dump n chase. Next season smaller kids, had more of a skill for the puck not as much but were very fast. Run n Gun worked pretty well all year. Next year, we really didn't have much of an offensive squad, but a very solid goalie, and a really good defense, so I knew it would be hard, but we would have to steal some games. Some of the forwards found their feet controlling the puck, these guys were really friggin good at cycling the puck, next season we had a kid transfer in and he had all the talent in the world, had a eye for the net, had great pass vision, played defense like he was a defenseman. So obviously we built something that worked for him kind of setting up sort of an umbrella with him as a Winger and our best Defenseman playing as sort of a QB in the zone on 5v5. We got pretty far with that team and this past year, they cancelled the season due to COVID. If you have been around the game for 40 years you would be acting more civilized throughout the entire conversation from left to right. it's more believable for you to be around for maybe 20 years and play the game for 10-11 years, but I can't verify what you are saying because you could be a teenager trying to cover his tracks.

Ah I see. You can’t even take a compliment. Saying I’ve been around the game longer is a fact not an insult. I’m not reading that. Your incompetent, obnoxious, delusional and stupid. Please f*ck off.

Take it how you want, most of that was me showing what my personal team has done over the past 4 years. Believe it or not that had nothing to do with Blues or Flames. None of it. That was more talking a friendly convo, but you just proved my point, a guy who has been around the game for "40 years" would mean he's in his 40s, either you are the most immature 40 year old I have seen in my life, or you are hiding that fact that you haven't been around the game that long and you just want me to believe your bullsh*t excuse hoping I would believe that because you fake a one up you want me to believe you are superior in mind? Doesn't really work that way. You haven't even shown me who you were all you said was you were pro. Hard to believe a "pro" player didn't go into coaching. And hard to believe that a "pro" player would come back down to a NHL fan site.

also insulting me on me calling you out on not being around the game for that long, just proves you haven't someone who has would know that he has been around the game that long, and wouldn't get mad when someone doesn't believe them and starts insulting them. That just means you are losing an argument, and stooping so low to lying about it.

Please send me your book, and please send me your name, please send me anything you deem to be useful, in trying to insult me. You aren't gonna hurt my feelings. Just because you were a bench warmer for 40 years doesn't make you better than me.

I said I’m done. Stop responding. This wasn’t a regular debate, you were aggressive from the start. Also, you called me a 40 year bench warmer, I’d say that a guy who turned pro is better than a guy who quit in Midget which is about what a 9 year “career” is. Bench warmers don’t, never mind I’m done with this bullsh*t and tryna prove myself to some idiot on the internet. F*ck off. Don’t expect another reply. You can reply but your wasting your breath. I’m not reading it

lol, again you call it aggression, it's showing you dynamic ideas. But I mean you said you had a book please prove to me you were pro. LMFAO you have not shown any PROOF you were pro at all. For all anyone knows you are some dummy . "tryna" exact that's the new generations saying. So please please stop talking. Just log off the internet, don't even come back here. You telling me to f*ck. Awww are your feelings getting hurt? I read your predictions already you don't need get so beefed up, I'm just not gonna respond on there because that's a nice debate. I don't want you getting 15 warnings because you kept insulting me. Kane would be good for Vegas, but again the one thing you truly truly truly lack is the knowledge of MARKET VALUE. Vegas would have to give up an arm and a leg otherwise Chicago fans would reak havoc. We are pretty close to the same on Draft Predictions I just have Dylan Guenther a little higher, and Owen Power who I have watched, and I have talked to the Chicago Steel GM about which I will more than happily send you the video on YT because I know you can say something and not back it up, but I do back everything I say up. If that was a compliment in your eyes, find it really hard to believe that a comment about saying how you are superior and that you finally understood why my opinion is what it is because I haven't "played hockey" as long as you have is a compliment. Geez, bud. You need better social skills. I understand your point of view too. You think because Gaudreau can do this and he has a little better statline makes him worth Robert Thomas, and Vlad Tarasenko and probably+ in your eyes. Gaudreau as small as he is you can't teach a 165 pound forward how to push a 6"4 Defenseman off the puck. You just can't teach that no matter how much work you put in, it doesn't work. Vova is 6"2 and 225 pounds huge difference. This is where it wouldn't work for the Blues, and while yes Tarasenko and Tkachuk being bigger guys could do some nasty stuff together which is why I think you want Blues fans to agree that Gaudreau is better. He might be league wise, but not on the Blues. Gaudreau would be another Robby Fabbri. It's not that Robby Fabbri was a bad player Robby Fabbri didn't work with our playstyle. When the coaching switched from Ken Hitchcock to Mike Yeo, and Craig Berube. It's a completely different game it's grit. Fabbri is finesse with speed. You see how his point production went up after he left the Blues good for him, he just doesn't work on the Blues. Even a "pro" player should understand that, but it's difficult to reason with someone who wants to force their opinion on everyone such as yourself.

But have a good day, apologies on how you felt to insult me left and right, but it's kind of what I signed up for on here. It's just sad to see another uncivilized child wants to play superior and thinks he knows everything when in fact he doesn't You still haven't even shown me your name and who you are which makes it all the more reason on me being right about you lying, you telling me to f*ck off also does that as well. But anyways fairwell, and do me a favor never comment on my posts. I don't want trolls in my ACGMs.