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Team: 2020-21 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 5, 2021
Published: Jan. 5, 2021
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Ultimately, I am trying to build a 3-way trade here with the Wild keeping Joel Ericksson Ek.
I don’t love the price the Wild are paying here... It all depends on PLD’s ceiling and the Wild’s confidence he will get there.
Neither of these trades seem crazy on their own, but when I add them together (basically Dumba, Greenway, Beckman, Khusnutdinov, and a 1st for PLD and Pionk), it feels like way too much... What says you?
Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
3$850,000
2$850,000
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MIN
  1. Dubinsky, Brandon
  2. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
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I don’t know what Dubinky’s health situation is...so not sure if his inclusion makes sense here...trying to use him to make the cap work.
CBJ
  1. Bonino, Nick
  2. Ehlers, Nikolaj
  3. Khusnutdinov, Marat
  4. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
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1st is the lowest of the 2 - 1sts - both top 10 protected.
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2023
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22$81,500,000$73,404,424$0$925,000$8,095,576
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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C
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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LW
UFA - 1
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$1,487,500$1,487,500
C
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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NMC
UFA - 4
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$7,538,462$7,538,462
LW
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
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UFA - 1
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$2,050,000$2,050,000
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C
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C
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RD
NMC
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$3,666,667$3,666,667
G
UFA - 3
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$4,166,667$4,166,667
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$785,000$785,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RD
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$700,000$700,000
LD/RD
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:17 a.m.
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IMO the Wild could use a big shake up. Something like this. Organization has been stuck in mediocrity forever. Take a chance. I like it.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:24 a.m.
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I actually like these trades, maybe not for Colombus unless foudy or tex are guaranteed going to be able to step into 1C.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:24 a.m.
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This is too much IMO. Leveraged way too much of the future for the now. PLD would be great but we will probably be better off showing patience with the prospects than giving up this much. If you want to move Dumba for Ehlers, add Khovanov and a pick then sure, but I think this is overkill.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:26 a.m.
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I don't see any chance Winnipeg does the first trade, so that kind of knocks everything off.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:33 a.m.
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I think MIN adds a bit to WPG deal but I like the concept
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
I don't see any chance Winnipeg does the first trade, so that kind of knocks everything off.


Yep. They would want to start with Boldy + Dumba for Ehlers and Pionk
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:38 a.m.
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This is too much IMO. Leveraged way too much of the future for the now. PLD would be great but we will probably be better off showing patience with the prospects than giving up this much. If you want to move Dumba for Ehlers, add Khovanov and a pick then sure, but I think this is overkill.


PLD is 22 years old...not even in his prime yet.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.
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This is terrible for the Jets, laughably bad actually.
Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:48 a.m.
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Problem is, and as much as I hate it.

Eriksson-Ek has to go. Only way it works. Columbus isn't going to want a 32 year old center in return for Dubois. They'll demand either Rossi or at bare minimum Eriksson-Ek, and we simply can't avoid it.

This is what I suggest.

Drop Pionk entirely, as he's unnecessary.

Move Beckman down to the CBJ column and swap Khusnutdinov for Khovanov then add Eriksson-Ek in replacement for Bonino.

To make up for the loss of Beckman to Winnipeg add on Firstov and our 2021 2nd for Ehlers.

To Winnipeg:
Dumba
Firstov
2021 2nd (MIN)

To Columbus:
Ehlers
Eriksson-Ek
Khovanov
Beckman
2021 1st (MIN or PIT)

To Minnesota:
Pierre Luc Dubois
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
PLD is 22 years old...not even in his prime yet.


I’m aware. You’re free to disagree, but I think losing Greenway and Beckman for Pionk is shortsighted and puts us into a bind down the road, specifically for the expansion draft. I’m willing to move Marat or Khovanov and a 1st and think that’s good value coupled with Ehlers. I’m also pretty sure we can’t afford him once he needs a new contract without moving other pieces out.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 11:50 a.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
Problem is, and as much as I hate it.

Eriksson-Ek has to go. Only way it works. Columbus isn't going to want a 32 year old center in return for Dubois. They'll demand either Rossi or at bare minimum Eriksson-Ek, and we simply can't avoid it.

This is what I suggest.

Drop Pionk entirely, as he's unnecessary.

Move Beckman down to the CBJ column and swap Khusnutdinov for Khovanov then add Eriksson-Ek in replacement for Bonino.

To make up for the loss of Beckman to Winnipeg add on Firstov and our 2021 2nd for Ehlers.

To Winnipeg:
Dumba
Firstov
2021 2nd (MIN)

To Columbus:
Ehlers
Eriksson-Ek
Khovanov
Beckman
2021 1st (MIN or PIT)

To Minnesota:
Pierre Luc Dubois


I don’t disagree that this might be how much it would cost, it’s more than I’m willing to spend. I think patience is key unless the price is right.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:07 p.m.
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The first trade is absolutely laughter. Minnesota isn't trading dumba to Winnipeg for ehlers and pionk much less thinking wild add Greenway & Beckham.
Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:09 p.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
I don’t disagree that this might be how much it would cost, it’s more than I’m willing to spend. I think patience is key unless the price is right.


The way Minnesota sees dumba is much different than fans on here. Minnesota isn't adding on ti dumba much less trading dumba to jets for ehlers to go to Columbus so wild get PLD. Take jets out of this
Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:12 p.m.
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I think MIN adds a bit to WPG deal but I like the concept


Don't know why you a leafs fan think you know more than NHL gm. Asking price for dumba has been 1c / 2c . Top 6c . To think wild would want a d back in pionk is a no. It would be straight up dumba for ehlers but Minnesota wouldn't
Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Wildnochance
Don't know why you a leafs fan think you know more than NHL gm. Asking price for dumba has been 1c / 2c . Top 6c . To think wild would want a d back in pionk is a no. It would be straight up dumba for ehlers but Minnesota wouldn't


When did I say I know more than an NHL GM? Am I not allowed an opinion because I cheer for the Leafs? Or is it because I, like the rest of us, am not an NHL GM, or that I'm not basing all of my opinion off a rumbling when half of the time those types of rumours aren't fully accurate? Just because I cheer for them doesn't mean I don't know anything about hockey or about other teams, nor does it mean that I can't have my own opinion. You think it doesn't make sense, so YOU are entitled to that opinion. I believe this makes sense for the Wild, and I am entitled to my opinion.

Pionk would be a replacement for Dumba, and Ehlers would be used in a package for PLD. Dumba to Pionk is a relatively small downgrade; Marcuss Johansson to PLD as your #1C is a considerable upgrade.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Wildnochance
The first trade is absolutely laughter. Minnesota isn't trading dumba to Winnipeg for ehlers and pionk much less thinking wild add Greenway & Beckham.


Honestly, Dumba for Ehlers 1 for 1 makes a lot of sense in my eyes. That’s assuming we keep him, I think he’d be great to play next to Rossi.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:34 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
When did I say I know more than an NHL GM? Am I not allowed an opinion because I cheer for the Leafs? Or is it because I, like the rest of us, am not an NHL GM, or that I'm not basing all of my opinion off a rumbling when half of the time those types of rumours aren't fully accurate? Just because I cheer for them doesn't mean I don't know anything about hockey or about other teams, nor does it mean that I can't have my own opinion. You think it doesn't make sense, so YOU are entitled to that opinion. I believe this makes sense for the Wild, and I am entitled to my opinion.

Pionk would be a replacement for Dumba, and Ehlers would be used in a package for PLD. Dumba to Pionk is a relatively small downgrade; Marcuss Johansson to PLD as your #1C is a considerable upgrade.



Wild will have Carson Soucy, so no pionk isn't a need. Wild also have caden addison ready to step in along with Brandon mannel in wild top 6d. Does wild not have Marco Rossi? Oh yeah they do. There's no chance Guerin will ever trade dumba for anything less than his asking
Jan. 5, 2021 at 2:36 p.m.
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Wild will have Carson Soucy, so no pionk isn't a nerd. Does wild not have Marco Rossi? Oh yeah they do. There's no chance Guerin will ever trade dumba for anything less than his asking


Soucy is not on the same level as Pionk, and is also not an RD, which would be the hole in the top 6. Elite cup teams recently tend to have 2 elite 1C's. So assuming Rossi pans out, this gives them a great C combo. And no, Eriksson Ek won't be a 1C. He'll be a middle 6 F, ceiling being an average 2C.

Dumba isn't all that great. Nobody's gonna send their top 6 center off for him; I wouldn't give Nylander and he's not even a center
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
Soucy is not on the same level as Pionk, and is also not an RD, which would be the hole in the top 6. Elite cup teams recently tend to have 2 elite 1C's. So assuming Rossi pans out, this gives them a great C combo. And no, Eriksson Ek won't be a 1C. He'll be a middle 6 F, ceiling being an average 2C.

Dumba isn't all that great. Nobody's gonna send their top 6 center off for him; I wouldn't give Nylander and he's not even a center


Good for you. Guerin is an NHL gm & know his value. Wild signed Carson Soucy to that contract so he can move up into top 4 if & when dumba is moved.

Dumba isn't being moved for anything less than top 6c. Wild don't need pionk who they won't resign with wild d prospect pool & wild already having Soucy & Brandon mannel .
Jan. 5, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: leafs101
When did I say I know more than an NHL GM? Am I not allowed an opinion because I cheer for the Leafs? Or is it because I, like the rest of us, am not an NHL GM, or that I'm not basing all of my opinion off a rumbling when half of the time those types of rumours aren't fully accurate? Just because I cheer for them doesn't mean I don't know anything about hockey or about other teams, nor does it mean that I can't have my own opinion. You think it doesn't make sense, so YOU are entitled to that opinion. I believe this makes sense for the Wild, and I am entitled to my opinion.

Pionk would be a replacement for Dumba, and Ehlers would be used in a package for PLD. Dumba to Pionk is a relatively small downgrade; Marcuss Johansson to PLD as your #1C is a considerable upgrade.


He's an idiot and a troll. Ignore him.

Apologies on behalf of the Wild's fanbase here. flushed cheeks
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 3:35 p.m.
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He's an idiot and a troll. Ignore him.

Apologies on behalf of the Wild's fanbase here. flushed cheeks


& so are you. Imagine being this ignorant and idiotic thinking wild would ever do this. Don't give a damn about you
Jan. 5, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Wildnochance
Good for you. Guerin is an NHL gm & know his value. Wild signed Carson Soucy to that contract so he can move up into top 4 if & when dumba is moved.

Dumba isn't being moved for anything less than top 6c. Wild don't need pionk who they won't resign with wild d prospect pool & wild already having Soucy & Brandon mannel .


The Wild signed Soucy to that contract so he would meet the exposure requirements for the expansion draft.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Caerii
The Wild signed Soucy to that contract so he would meet the exposure requirements for the expansion draft.


Wrong. This is so wrong.
Jan. 5, 2021 at 4:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Wildnochance
& so are you. Imagine being this ignorant and idiotic thinking wild would ever do this. Don't give a damn about you


Right, or I you.

From the moment you've gotten here; you've been argumentative, combative, aggressive and most importantly insulting to everyone you've commented with in this community, much less to those of the Wild's own fanbase, and I'm the troll?

Right sure, whatever you say. The broken record has spoken. By the way, it's Calen Addison and Brennan Menell, but clearly you know what the hell your talking about.

I'm done with you, to my ignore list you go.
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Jan. 5, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.
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I’m putting the moron, Wildnochance, on my ignore list too. He has absolutely nothing to offer here!
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