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Manson

Created by: Duggysdanglers
Initial Creation Date: Jan 5, 2021
Published: Jan 5 at 4:46
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I’d like to trade Simmonds and or Mikheyev to free up cap space to fill out the bottom of the roster. Simmonds got double what he should get.
Trades
TOR
  1. Manson, Josh ($2,000,000 retained)
ANA
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Dermott, Travis
  3. Liljegren, Timothy
  4. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$80,822,283$0$0$677,717
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Boyd, Travis
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
ANA
Manson, Josh
$2,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
Taxi Squad
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167 ($0)
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000 ($0)
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000 ($0)
LW, RW
UFA - 1

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Jan 5 at 4:51
#1
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If I'm ANA I say no chance. Nothing in that trade has the chance to turn into what Manson currently is outside of the first round pick. Which will likely be a 20-30 pick.
Jan 5 at 4:54
#2
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Terrible trade, Dermott is already better than Manson, Liljegren will be way better and a 1st and Engvall are more valuable to the Leafs than Manson. Manson is literally a bottom pair defenceman. He's Bogosian but makes over 4 million. I wouldn't want him at half price. B
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Jan 5 at 5:00
#3
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Quoting: dzad96
If I'm ANA I say no chance. Nothing in that trade has the chance to turn into what Manson currently is outside of the first round pick. Which will likely be a 20-30 pick.


Seems pretty short sighted.

This is a pretty big overpay for what Manson currently offers.
Jan 5 at 5:00
#4
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Simmonds is worth double what he signed for based on M. Martin's reported deal!

Also, can we as Leaf fans move past this fascination with getting Manson?

I think the time has passed.
Jan 5 at 5:04
#5
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I like Manson, but this is a sizeable overpay.
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Jan 5 at 5:10
#6
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Quoting: Barilko14
Seems pretty short sighted.

This is a pretty big overpay for what Manson currently offers.


Typical Leafs fan, wildly over valuing prospects. Remember when Bracco and Tymashov were worth 2nd's? both gone for nothing. When losing Leipsic was the end of the world? Engvall is a 4th liner at absolute best. Dermott is a 5-6 D guy with a very slim chance of becoming a 4. Liljgren will never succeed in TO maybe elsewhere he becomes a serviceable lower pair D man but I can't see it.
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Jan 5 at 5:14
#7
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I can't decide who says no here. But I think if TOR is really going to send it for a Cup, both teams would/should do this.
Jan 5 at 5:20
#8
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Quoting: dzad96
If I'm ANA I say no chance. Nothing in that trade has the chance to turn into what Manson currently is outside of the first round pick. Which will likely be a 20-30 pick.


Ducks take this because Liljegren and the 1st is plenty. They’d figure out what to do with the other pieces later.
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Jan 5 at 5:21
#9
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They signed Brodie and Bogosian, they don't need Manson.
Jan 5 at 5:23
#10
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Quoting: Jah1722
Ducks take this because Liljegren and the 1st is plenty. They’d figure out what to do with the other pieces later.


Throw Holl in there too because that's who's spot Manson is taking.
Jan 5 at 5:27
#11
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Quoting: dzad96
Typical Leafs fan, wildly over valuing prospects. Remember when Bracco and Tymashov were worth 2nd's? both gone for nothing. When losing Leipsic was the end of the world? Engvall is a 4th liner at absolute best. Dermott is a 5-6 D guy with a very slim chance of becoming a 4. Liljgren will never succeed in TO maybe elsewhere he becomes a serviceable lower pair D man but I can't see it.


Newsflash - Ana is not in win now mode. When games matter to Ana again where will Manson be?

Something >>> Nothing when Ana will be competitive again. This package is more than Leafs paid for Muzzin.

Also, I remember when Bracco was worth a 2nd. Even the most optimistic Leaf fan never thought Timashov was worth a 2nd.
Jan 5 at 5:43
#12
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Quoting: Barilko14
Newsflash - Ana is not in win now mode. When games matter to Ana again where will Manson be?

Something >>> Nothing when Ana will be competitive again. This package is more than Leafs paid for Muzzin.

Also, I remember when Bracco was worth a 2nd. Even the most optimistic Leaf fan never thought Timashov was worth a 2nd.


Actually as dumb as it sounds GM Bob Murray has said they are in win now mode.

This isn’t enough for the Ducks to move Manson regardless how you view him value wise. He’s too important to the team and too important to a GM that thinks his team is better than it is

Not saying I think this is too much as I would do this deal but the reality is it would probably take more
Jan 5 at 5:51
#13
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Quoting: Salzy
Actually as dumb as it sounds GM Bob Murray has said they are in win now mode.

This isn’t enough for the Ducks to move Manson regardless how you view him value wise. He’s too important to the team and too important to a GM that thinks his team is better than it is

Not saying I think this is too much as I would do this deal but the reality is it would probably take more


Yeah, the Bob Murray factor of loving Manson like a son. I agree if any "attainable" player in the league will take an overpay to get, it's probably Manson.

Another reason why Leaf fans should have stopped with these proposals 2+ years ago.
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Jan 5 at 5:52
#14
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Quoting: dzad96
If I'm ANA I say no chance. Nothing in that trade has the chance to turn into what Manson currently is outside of the first round pick. Which will likely be a 20-30 pick.


What Manson is, is a poor 2nd pair defenceman. Liljegren is going to be much better than Manson. Without a doubt.
Jan 5 at 5:53
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Quoting: dzad96
Typical Leafs fan, wildly over valuing prospects. Remember when Bracco and Tymashov were worth 2nd's? both gone for nothing. When losing Leipsic was the end of the world? Engvall is a 4th liner at absolute best. Dermott is a 5-6 D guy with a very slim chance of becoming a 4. Liljgren will never succeed in TO maybe elsewhere he becomes a serviceable lower pair D man but I can't see it.


Did the LeafsSeason guy hack your account? Liljegren was neck and neck with Jake Bean in the AHL last year and is a year younger and yet for some reason Liljegren is a bust and Bean is a future all star. What a joke.
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Jan 5 at 5:55
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Quoting: dzad96
Throw Holl in there too because that's who's spot Manson is taking.


I doubt he would take his spot, statistically, Holl has been superior big time
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Jan 5 at 5:55
#17
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
What Manson is, is a poor 2nd pair defenceman. Liljegren is going to be much better than Manson. Without a doubt.


Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Did the LeafsSeason guy hack your account? Liljegren was neck and neck with Jake Bean in the AHL last year and is a year younger and yet for some reason Liljegren is a bust and Bean is a future all star. What a joke.

What? Liljegren is a bust. Everyone outside of Leafs nation know’s this
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Jan 5 at 5:56
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Quoting: Barilko14
Yeah, the Bob Murray factor of loving Manson like a son. I agree if any "attainable" player in the league will take an overpay to get, it's probably Manson.

Another reason why Leaf fans should have stopped with these proposals 2+ years ago.


I still can't believe the Ducks paid Vegas to take Theodore over Manson.
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Jan 5 at 6:00
#19
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
I still can't believe the Ducks paid Vegas to take Theodore over Manson.


Yeah, it will be interesting to see if any teams make the same mistakes this time around (that one & FLA will be tough to top).
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Jan 5 at 6:08
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Quoting: Barilko14
Yeah, it will be interesting to see if any teams make the same mistakes this time around (that one & FLA will be tough to top).


100% someone will for sure. Likely Lou
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Jan 5 at 6:43
#21
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Sold!!

As much as I love my esteemed colleague @Salzy and respect his opinion, I would take this deal. Among other things, it solves our expansion draft conundrum and adds some defensive depth right away (pun intended) because both incoming Leafs can play that side. We excel at drafting late in the first round (Jones, Rakell, Steel) so I don't see that as an objection.
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Jan 6 at 1:35
#22
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
I doubt he would take his spot, statistically, Holl has been superior big time


Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
What Manson is, is a poor 2nd pair defenceman. Liljegren is going to be much better than Manson. Without a doubt.


Manson has been a plus player year after year up until the whole team regressed two years ago. I think with RS and 2 full seasons it’s definitely worth it. Liljegrin is B-B+ prospect. That first goes a long way too. It all depends on if the Ducks want him around after his deal expires.
Jan 6 at 6:44
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Quoting: Duggysdanglers
Manson has been a plus player year after year up until the whole team regressed two years ago. I think with RS and 2 full seasons it’s definitely worth it. Liljegrin is B-B+ prospect. That first goes a long way too. It all depends on if the Ducks want him around after his deal expires.


What is Jake Bean? Because from what everyone seems to say on this site, he's an A prospect and Liljegren had an identical season last year in the AHL and is a year younger. Keep Manson he's getting old and declining.
 
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