The point isn’t whether he’s over paid or not. The point is that it’s extremely hard to win with 3 guys taking up that much cap. Matthews is the franchise player, Tavares wears the C. Marner is the guy that goes.

Now with the guys that took minimum salaries to go play there, they might make it work this season. This is just my “if it doesn’t work” opinion.

Ya for sure. I was just saying when i think of a defensive forward I’m thinking like Steve begin.

That should also do something to dispel the notion that pastrnak is bad defensively. There was some bruins fan running around saying pastrnak was one of the worst defensive players in the league. I think i have him on ignore, but that was funny.

I’m not saying he’s bad defensively. He is not a defensive forward.

that's more what I meant - among other superstar offensive guys he's decent defensively. also of the core 4, he was used the most in the defensive zone at 5v5, like the team definitely dabbles in deploying him as a more defensively responsible guy

yes vegas gave him alright bonus money but all reports by TSN and sportsnet were indicating If Toronto wanted him they would have to give an insane amount of bonus money to keep the cap hit low. Basically 12 mill the first 2 years than 6 mill for 3 years than 3 mill the final 2. Hes making 3mill the first 2 years than 7 and 8 mill every other year till his final year where he gets 0. In general he would have got more bonus money in Toronto on a lower cap hit but in general that contract in 4 years would start to become a handicap and not worth it. Basically Pitrangelo would have been the highest paid player in the NHL on the leafs earning 19.5 Mill for 2 years and would it be worth it no because that contract in 3-4 years is gonna be a bad anchor for vegas. Since in general even being a superstar 48 mill in signing bonuses would have been to much money to spend on an aging Dman even when Toronto had the money to do so not worth it.

You are depending on a 42 and 37 year old to be your bottom 2 C's with a shortened season.

Had you also signed haula/Soderberg/Wallmark I'd be with you. But like this. That's too risky

Marner is 23, not 30

I think any team is smarter to keep the 3 players over the 1. Pietrangelo is just the big name. Brodie is arguably better defensively than him and then you want them to lose out on Kerfoot (a centre that depth in the organization is their biggest weakness) and Dermott who's the best skater on the team? Don't think that's smart for any team.

Just the usual poorly thought out rhetoric. Yeah pay two guys like Johnson and Killorn close to the same as Marner and just wish we had marner.

When you but into a conversation please have some sort of clue as to what’s being talked about. Age has nothing to do with it.

You have zero clue what is going on this conversation. Go away.

Pietrangelo is 30 and his deal is long and will be bad. Marner is elite and is money is well spent.

Oh no, I know exactly what is be talked about. Marner is a bad contract in your opinion. Its a terrible opinion and is just lazy nonsense.

If you’d actually read I didn’t say that. So would you kindly go away.

"the leafs can't win with so much money paid to forwards". The usual rhetoric. No one can do it until it's done and then everyone will say it's how it will be done from now on.

The reality is, the NHL is going to change in the coming years the middle class is going to get squeezed and there will be fewer 5 million dollar contracts. There will be stars making star money and depth making smaller money. TO is just ahead of the curve.

Once again learn how to read or go away.

How dare someone challenge your rhetoric.

You’re not challenging anything. You literary are unable to read.

I have read your comments, Lyle Dubas says he is happier with the Leafs having Brodie for less term (30+ players and term is often a mistake) and Kerfoot for the same price as Pietrangelo. To which you said then isn't it wise to pay two guys the same as Marner. But it's a different scenario entirely, because Marner is an elite 23 year old who's best days are ahead of him. It's money well spent because it's impossible to find two players (who aren't on steals of a deal and underpaid) who are as impactful as Marner. Paying him his contract and filling the periphery with cheap contracts like they did this season offer way more value. The reality of the NHL is the hardest thing to find is elite players, when you have them, you don't let them go. Period.

Brodie isn't better defensively than Pietrangelo, it's pretty close.

No question Marner's a very good player but he's not worth 11M especially with the term he got and flat cap.