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who says no other than Nylander if he could lol

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Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 8, 2021
Published: Jan. 8, 2021
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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The LEafs would never make this trade or give that contract to Jones. Hes so overrated
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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The LEafs would never make this trade or give that contract to Jones. Hes so overrated


He goes to Toronto and he stops being such a darling on this site.
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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Its a no from me (Leafs Fan). Nylander is MUCH better than he is currently rated, I would trade Marner before Nylander anyday of the week considering their contracts. 8 more points for almost 4 Mil higher cap hit? No thanks.
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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He goes to Toronto and he stops being such a darling on this site.


Idk why people see him as a top tier defenseman. Ive watched him play, hes not even that good. He just plays big minutes so people assume hes good
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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Why I wouldn't do literally any of this is because you are also going to lose Rielly who I think is as good as Jones.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
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Depends if that’s the only place he’d agree to an extension, he could fetch more.

He’s not only ranked high on this site, pretty much ranked top five anywhere that just doesn’t base lists on analytics.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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Idk why people see him as a top tier defenseman. Ive watched him play, hes not even that good. He just plays big minutes so people assume hes good


He is absolutely good but in the extremism world we live in, if enough people say he's the best ever, than he's the best ever. And if enough people say someone sucks then everyone thinks he sucks. On top of that, and you sir are absolutely guilty of this, everyone is either terrific or they suck there is no middle ground. Jones is absolutely a terrific player. He certainly isn't as valuable as many on here think but he is definitely a #1 defenceman.
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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Don't know why the Leafs would have to give up so much, just to get one more year of UFA Jones (who I don't think signs with the Leafs anyway.)
If Leafs need cap for a Dman, trade Nylander and get assets in return.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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He is absolutely good but in the extremism world we live in, if enough people say he's the best ever, than he's the best ever. And if enough people say someone sucks then everyone thinks he sucks. On top of that, and you sir are absolutely guilty of this, everyone is either terrific or they suck there is no middle ground. Jones is absolutely a terrific player. He certainly isn't as valuable as many on here think but he is definitely a #1 defenceman.


I never said he sucks. I said he is an average defenseman who gets overrated by most fans and TV people
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:36 p.m.
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Leafs decline, Jones is the most overrated player in the league.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.
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Leafs decline, Jones is the most overrated player in the league.


Pesce is by far more overrated
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:39 p.m.
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Pesce is by far more overrated


Yea how could i forget lol, Canes fans think hes worth Marner+.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
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Yea how could i forget lol, Canes fans think hes worth Marner+.


It's ridiculous
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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Its a no from me (Leafs Fan). Nylander is MUCH better than he is currently rated, I would trade Marner before Nylander anyday of the week considering their contracts. 8 more points for almost 4 Mil higher cap hit? No thanks.


You can't replace a 90 point playmaker in his early 20's who never hit his prime yet. If you don't want to see another Leaf win a cup, you better hold onto Marner.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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I would take that trade in a heart beat. The Leafs are getting a top two defensemen who can make a great partner for Rielly.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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Why I wouldn't do literally any of this is because you are also going to lose Rielly who I think is as good as Jones.


see next post.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:47 p.m.
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I would take that trade in a heart beat. The Leafs are getting a top two defensemen who can make a great partner for Rielly.

I tend to disagree with your Nylander trading syndrome but if the right deal came along I'd be ok with it because I think in the next couple of years that production will be able to be covered by Robertson (not saying I expect the same production, but enough to keep the offence intact without Willy). I'd want this in the offseason so a) we get a jones extension in place first and b) the offence would look pretty bad other than the big 3 if this happened right now.
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.
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Its a no from me (Leafs Fan). Nylander is MUCH better than he is currently rated, I would trade Marner before Nylander anyday of the week considering their contracts. 8 more points for almost 4 Mil higher cap hit? No thanks.


I agree Nylander is better than rated by many, but Jones and the cap flexibility could turn this team into an elite defensive team with the same high-octane offence. "8 more points" undersells the difference in production, its a 93 point pace for a 72 point pace (in 82 games)
Jan. 8, 2021 at 1:23 p.m.
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see next post.


Long term, we can't afford Rielly with this. So we would essentially be trading Nylander and Rielly for Jones and that is a horrible idea.
Jan. 8, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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I agree Nylander is better than rated by many, but Jones and the cap flexibility could turn this team into an elite defensive team with the same high-octane offence. "8 more points" undersells the difference in production, its a 93 point pace for a 72 point pace (in 82 games)


I still don't think that is worth the 4 mil extra in cap space, you could sign a top 4 D and a 4th line Vet for that much
Jan. 8, 2021 at 1:39 p.m.
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Leafs decline, Jones is the most overrated player in the league.


Some of you Leaf fans are delusional... Jones is on the cusp of a Norris, or multiple Norris trophies. His advanced stats back it up. He's one the 5 best defensemen in the league.
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 3:51 p.m.
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Some of you Leaf fans are delusional... Jones is on the cusp of a Norris, or multiple Norris trophies. His advanced stats back it up. He's one the 5 best defensemen in the league.


I'd take it in-between the extremes here. I don't think he's gonna win a Norris with guys like Hedman and Carlson still wreaking havoc, then by the time they're done Jones will be a bit older and guys like Heiskanen will be hitting their prime and winning those trophies. Apparently his advanced stats don't back it up, but I think the eye test has to be applied here considering how much of a workhorse he is. Realistically I think its safe to call him a top 10 defenceman. And I think Nylander and a 2nd, if CBJ is blowing it up at the deadline, is pretty good for a year and a half of Jones (yes its contingent on his resigning but that has nothing to do with CBJ really)
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Jan. 8, 2021 at 4:26 p.m.
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Some of you Leaf fans are delusional... Jones is on the cusp of a Norris, or multiple Norris trophies. His advanced stats back it up. He's one the 5 best defensemen in the league.


Bruh I think u can’t read... pls tell me what advanced stat backs up Jones outstanding play ? He’s not even a top 20 dman and have the Willingness to call him top 5 bruh. Ik redwings games are hard to watch, so pls watch Jones play irl, actually look at his advanced stats before making such a stupid statement
Jan. 8, 2021 at 4:30 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
Some of you Leaf fans are delusional... Jones is on the cusp of a Norris, or multiple Norris trophies. His advanced stats back it up. He's one the 5 best defensemen in the league.


His WAR over the span of the last 2 years was: 1.4
His OFF was 5.2
His DEF was 0.6
His xWAR was 1.8

For comparison, Jake Muzzins stats over the last 2 years
WAR 3.5
OFF 5.1
DEF 5.6
xWAR 5.6

Muzzin is literally better in every single advanced stat compared to Jones. Jones would be the third best dman on the Leafs, and not to mention, he only has 16 more points over the last two years than Muzzin while playing on the PP, and Muzzin gets no PP duty at all.

So please tell me, what advanced stats back up Jones being a Norris trophy dman, yet alone a top 20 dman. And next time look at ur stats before speaking
Jan. 8, 2021 at 5:42 p.m.
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His WAR over the span of the last 2 years was: 1.4
His OFF was 5.2
His DEF was 0.6
His xWAR was 1.8

For comparison, Jake Muzzins stats over the last 2 years
WAR 3.5
OFF 5.1
DEF 5.6
xWAR 5.6

Muzzin is literally better in every single advanced stat compared to Jones. Jones would be the third best dman on the Leafs, and not to mention, he only has 16 more points over the last two years than Muzzin while playing on the PP, and Muzzin gets no PP duty at all.

So please tell me, what advanced stats back up Jones being a Norris trophy dman, yet alone a top 20 dman. And next time look at ur stats before speaking

Totes, bruh dawgz, ranch it up!

I'm taking a bigger sample size than the last two years. With that said, your argument isn't bad, besides the fact that you're a douche.
 
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