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Team: 2021-22 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 12, 2021
Published: Jan. 13, 2021
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Honestly, is this solid value? I know that CBJ would want more prominent pieces but does the value in this deal work?
Free Agent Signings
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3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
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4$4,250,000
2$1,750,000
2$750,000
2$2,750,000
2$3,750,000
Trades
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CBJ
  1. Berard, Brett [Reserve List]
  2. Chytil, Filip [RFA Rights]
  3. Lundkvist, Nils [Reserve List]
  4. Strome, Ryan
  5. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
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NYR
    - Seattle Expansion Draft + Trade Considerations.
    CBJ
    1. Hájek, Libor [RFA Rights]
    2. Howden, Brett [RFA Rights]
    3. Rykov, Yegor [RFA Rights]
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    23$81,500,000$67,768,968$0$9,115,000$13,731,032
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    $11,642,857$11,642,857
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    $5,350,000$5,350,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
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    $6,500,000$6,500,000
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    NMC
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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    RFA - 1
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
    LD
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    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $3,750,000$3,750,000
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    $809,167$809,167 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
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    $750,000$750,000
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    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:10 p.m.
    #26
    Bcarlo25
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    Quoting: Rino911
    Your not understanding the point. He does not want to stay in Columbus for his full two years on his contract. Which after his contract is up he turns into a RFA. Which also he is a very elite player but not everyone will be shopping for him due to the cap being flat. I also thing we shouldn’t even go for him because we had to sign Igor, foxy and zibby the year he is a RFA.


    Okay, so he doesn’t want to stay in columbus. So what? Who cares? He doesn’t want to be there two years from when he’s an RFA? So what? Go sign an offer sheet. He won’t because columbus can just match.

    Let’s say fox tweeted out tomorrow “turns out I hate it here, I don’t want to be in NYC.” Awesome player, team control for a while. What would you be saying if everyone was offering a third pair d, a third center, a late first, and some prospect for him? Would you be saying, “welp, he wants out, guess the rangers need to take this deal!”

    It’s a flaw in your logic.

    There is zero motivation for the jackets to move PLD for below a very high valuation of his market value.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.
    #27
    Bcarlo25
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    Quoting: Rino911
    Bro Elliot Friedman said they were looking to shop him by the deadline. Looks at his recents tweets and it was also on TSN


    I’m sure they will bro. But the thing is bro, there’s a big difference between shopping, and taking whatever they can get bro.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Okay, so he doesn’t want to stay in columbus. So what? Who cares? He doesn’t want to be there two years from when he’s an RFA? So what? Go sign an offer sheet. He won’t because columbus can just match.

    Let’s say fox tweeted out tomorrow “turns out I hate it here, I don’t want to be in NYC.” Awesome player, team control for a while. What would you be saying if everyone was offering a third pair d, a third center, a late first, and some prospect for him? Would you be saying, “welp, he wants out, guess the rangers need to take this deal!”

    It’s a flaw in your logic.

    There is zero motivation for the jackets to move PLD for below a very high valuation of his market value.

    It’s kinda funny because your leaving the part out where he doesn’t want to stay there and has informed the gm. Which does not gone likely in the locker room which leads to miss leading chemistry. When’s the last time you saw a player ask for a trade and the GM said no you will finish your contract here. His future does not want to be in Columbus p. I read a whole article about this. Also the trade value is up to par a third line center that just had a amazing season. A second line up and coming center that who is just 21 and has showed great strides, a late first, a B plus level defensive prospect, a prospect that just had a amazing WJC
    Would be up to par in my eyes if Columbus had no better offer. As I think this offer would try to be countered with a center piece like laf or Kakko which simply wouldn’t happen. As while u keep on saying there is no motivation to move PLD out of Columbus, There has been insiders that have heard trade talk between teams about PLD. So I would check that if I were you.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    I’m sure they will bro. But the thing is bro, there’s a big difference between shopping, and taking whatever they can get bro.

    You’re simply under valuing these players. Ever watch Nils, Brett or even Philly?
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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    People need to look at PLD stats again.. Very good player but his best season is 27 goals and 61 points. Stats are comparable to Ryan nugent hopkins and people are saying LAF or kakko
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: buchnevichh
    People need to look at PLD stats again.. Very good player but his best season is 27 goals and 61 points. Stats are comparable to Ryan nugent hopkins and people are saying LAF or kakko


    Some kids were saying they would say no too Kakko and Chytil which is laughable
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rino911
    You’re simply under valuing these players. Ever watch Nils, Brett or even Philly?


    Okay so now you have changed your argument. Interesting.

    The blue jackets are in win now mode until they lose jones. The prospects are nice, but are the wrong currency.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
    #33
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Okay so now you have changed your argument. Interesting.

    The blue jackets are in win now mode until they lose jones. The prospects are nice, but are the wrong currency.

    I didn’t change my argument lmfaooooo. U a funny guy. I’m asking u if you have ever watched these players closely bc u will be surprised.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:31 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rino911
    I didn’t change my argument lmfaooooo. U a funny guy. I’m asking u if you have ever watched these players closely bc u will be surprised.


    I have. They’re futures. I don’t think columbus wants futures as the centerpiece.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    I have. They’re futures. I don’t think columbus wants futures as the centerpiece.


    As Nils is 20 and will be NHL ready by next year. Philly has shown he is NHL ready and has been solid and will move up to the second line in the coming months. Brett is the only future here for me. As this Columbus team is strong and I think could make the playoffs, I still think they are a first or second round exit.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
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    As Nils is 20 and will be NHL ready by next year. Philly has shown he is NHL ready and has been solid and will move up to the second line in the coming months. Brett is the only future here for me. As this Columbus team is strong and I think could make the playoffs, I still think they are a first or second round exit.


    How do you know nils is NHL ready?
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 1:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: masterjuddi
    CLB would ask for one of Kakko or Lafrieniere for sure, but they dont get AF IMO...Kakko probably.
    PLD has the potential of being a franchise C...that's gonna cost any team one of their best prospects


    Lafrieniere is a special case where he's touted to be a guaranteed franchise guy. PLD could be like Zibanejad and take a while to actually get to that point.
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    Jan. 13, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    One of kakko or laf goes in this deal or CBJ doesn't pick up the phone


    No way you are getting any teams top 3 prospects the rangers happen to have some quality within the quantity something like the 1st strome henrickson lundqvist and jones. Chytil I dont thi k is untouchable but I do think you cant give that many centers up laff kakko miller and kravtsov are probably your untouchables as far as young guys go
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: n388845
    No way you are getting any teams top 3 prospects the rangers happen to have some quality within the quantity something like the 1st strome henrickson lundqvist and jones. Chytil I dont thi k is untouchable but I do think you cant give that many centers up laff kakko miller and kravtsov are probably your untouchables as far as young guys go


    He's a top 3 pick and a #1 center whose 22, if you don't think he's getting top guys back you're wrong
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 1:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    Well, he’s signed for two years, but then he’s an RFA with arb rights, and then he’s an RFA with arb rights the year after that too. Not likely columbus should be in a hurry.

    It’s also not like this is a new story. Players have wanted out of small markets forever. Normally it doesn’t hit the media, but it’s not like it means they have to move him for whatever they can get. Shea Weber hated Nashville. Worked out there for quite some time.

    The jackets are not motivated to sell right now. They may, long term, see that they have to move the player, but there is absolutely zero need to move quickly.


    I agree for the most part. This likely isn't ending in CBJ favor either way.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 1:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: masterjuddi
    CLB would ask for one of Kakko or Lafrieniere for sure, but they dont get AF IMO...Kakko probably.
    PLD has the potential of being a franchise C...that's gonna cost any team one of their best prospects


    Lafreniere is crazy talk. I'd only do that for Barkov or Eichel. PLD is good but he's not that level.
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    Jan. 13, 2021 at 1:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bcarlo25
    How do you know nils is NHL ready?


    I’ve watched his play very closely and I believe he can get a bottom role next year on most teams.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rino911
    I’ve watched his play very closely and I believe he can get a bottom role next year on most teams.


    Well, i appreciate that you believe that. Have you ever watched a player play outside of the NHL, believed he was ready for the NHL, only to find out that he wasn’t?
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 3:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    He's a top 3 pick and a #1 center whose 22, if you don't think he's getting top guys back you're wrong


    He's a 55 point center who has to play top center minutes because who else will with ceiling as a top center. History shows no top players going back zib. Trade for example brussard and a late pick for him and a second seguin trade another example. Cbj is not going to get equal value its just not how these trades work
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.
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    He's a 55 point center who has to play top center minutes because who else will with ceiling as a top center. History shows no top players going back zib. Trade for example brussard and a late pick for him and a second seguin trade another example. Cbj is not going to get equal value its just not how these trades work


    They will get value for him or won't deal him. You saw his upside in the playoffs, he was a beast and had no off ice issues like seguin did at the time and zibanajed wasn't projected as a 1C and and a few down years prior to the trade. Pld is on the upside, it will cost you a top player or not worth it for them and they say no. They aren't rebuilding and don't want s bunch if picks and prospects. Kakko + chytyl + one of your many dmen gets it done like DeAngelo
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 3:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    They will get value for him or won't deal him. You saw his upside in the playoffs, he was a beast and had no off ice issues like seguin did at the time and zibanajed wasn't projected as a 1C and and a few down years prior to the trade. Pld is on the upside, it will cost you a top player or not worth it for them and they say no. They aren't rebuilding and don't want s bunch if picks and prospects. Kakko + chytyl + one of your many dmen gets it done like DeAngelo


    I think that's an overpay, Jeff Gorton would never do that kind of deal. 3 roster players for 1 is not good for business. The deal would need to involve futures.
    Jan. 13, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: Forbesy
    I think that's an overpay, Jeff Gorton would never do that kind of deal. 3 roster players for 1 is not good for business. The deal would need to involve futures.


    CBJ passes
    Jan. 14, 2021 at 9:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    They will get value for him or won't deal him. You saw his upside in the playoffs, he was a beast and had no off ice issues like seguin did at the time and zibanajed wasn't projected as a 1C and and a few down years prior to the trade. Pld is on the upside, it will cost you a top player or not worth it for them and they say no. They aren't rebuilding and don't want s bunch if picks and prospects. Kakko + chytyl + one of your many dmen gets it done like DeAngelo


    I mean, he did ask to leave his team. That's about as bad as it gets.


    And that's a terrible overpayment.
    Again, right now, PLD isnt much of an upgrade over Strome to be worth a Kakko, LAF, or a bunch of top prospects. Rangers can make a trade for a 2C in a year or 2 when they need it, and see how their teenage wingers develop.
    Jan. 14, 2021 at 10:32 a.m.
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    I mean, he did ask to leave his team. That's about as bad as it gets.


    And that's a terrible overpayment.
    Again, right now, PLD isnt much of an upgrade over Strome to be worth a Kakko, LAF, or a bunch of top prospects. Rangers can make a trade for a 2C in a year or 2 when they need it, and see how their teenage wingers develop.


    And this can't be taken seriously if you think pld isn't an upgrade over strome.
    Jan. 14, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
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    Quoting: buffbry
    And this can't be taken seriously if you think pld isn't an upgrade over strome.


    The difference between Strome and Dubois isnt Lafreniere or Kakko. Get real.
     
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