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Created by: Skull_King
Published: Jan. 15, 2021 at 3:11 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 113/116 (97%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Boston BruinsBoston Bruins

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kase, OndrejBoston BruinsNHL-$2,532,758111---0000--
Vaakanainen, UrhoWaivers ExemptBoston BruinsTaxi Squad-$871,041011---0000--
Beecher, JohnWaivers ExemptBoston BruinsMinor-$0011---0000--
2021 1st round pick (Logo of the Boston BruinsBOS)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Hanifin, NoahCalgary FlamesNHL-$4,821,982111---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$2,095,7962346633613
Change-$1,418,1830-2-2-100
Final$677,613 (↓)2344 (↓)61 (↓)2 (↓)613000

Logo of the Calgary FlamesCalgary Flames

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Hanifin, NoahCalgary FlamesNHL-$4,821,982111---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kase, OndrejBoston BruinsNHL-$2,532,758111---0000--
Vaakanainen, UrhoWaivers ExemptBoston BruinsTaxi Squad-$871,041011---0000--
Beecher, JohnWaivers ExemptBoston BruinsMinor-$0011---0000--
2021 1st round pick (Logo of the Boston BruinsBOS)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$326,1362245663711
Change$1,418,183022100
Final$1,744,319 (↑)2247 (↑)68 (↑)4 (↑)711000
Jan. 17, 2021 at 9:04 a.m.
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Absolutely not. Huge overpay.
Jan. 17, 2021 at 10:01 a.m.
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What r u taking out
Jan. 17, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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What r u taking out


Two of the players.
Jan. 17, 2021 at 1:43 p.m.
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Vaak and Beecher?
Jan. 17, 2021 at 4:37 p.m.
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I agree massive over payment for Noah on this one.

That being said, the sample size is really small - but watching the Bruins first two games, I am not sure that top end Def is what they need. I mean any time that can get a top 4 D man, you should depending on the price tag. But for the love of god, we need to some creative scoring up front outside of our top 3.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 7:33 a.m.
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Vaak and Beecher?


Both. You’re wildly overvaluing hanifin.
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Jan. 18, 2021 at 7:33 a.m.
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I agree massive over payment for Noah on this one.

That being said, the sample size is really small - but watching the Bruins first two games, I am not sure that top end Def is what they need. I mean any time that can get a top 4 D man, you should depending on the price tag. But for the love of god, we need to some creative scoring up front outside of our top 3.

I think that’s kind of the point of this season. Let the kids play, develop, and if they need to go get someone at the deadline, so be it.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 9:29 a.m.
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I think that’s kind of the point of this season. Let the kids play, develop, and if they need to go get someone at the deadline, so be it.


Yeah seeing as we have needed secondary scoring for 2 seasons now and this season it no different. We have some youth on D that I think we can deploy and let grow, but our forwards are weak after the top line.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 9:32 a.m.
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Yeah seeing as we have needed secondary scoring for 2 seasons now and this season it no different. We have some youth on D that I think we can deploy and let grow, but our forwards are weak after the top line.


Secondary scoring shouldn’t be an issue. They could easily have eight 20 goal scorers.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 11:49 a.m.
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Secondary scoring shouldn’t be an issue. They could easily have eight 20 goal scorers.


I appreciate the optimism there to say the least, but the Bruins top line usually carries the load (like many teams) but the drop off is substantial for creativity and production after that. I mean without advanced states of how much the the 1st line contributed with assists they did themselves score 107 goals of something like 220 to almost half and then include 131 apples from that group combined as well. I mean I hope you are right, that we can some how find 8 20 goal scorers as we had 3 last year and they were the top line and Jake was at 19.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 1:24 p.m.
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I appreciate the optimism there to say the least, but the Bruins top line usually carries the load (like many teams) but the drop off is substantial for creativity and production after that. I mean without advanced states of how much the the 1st line contributed with assists they did themselves score 107 goals of something like 220 to almost half and then include 131 apples from that group combined as well. I mean I hope you are right, that we can some how find 8 20 goal scorers as we had 3 last year and they were the top line and Jake was at 19.


Don’t care about the advanced stats. At all. No desire to discuss them.
In terms of secondary scoring they added kase, Craig smith, and then you could make an argument for the development of guys like studnicka and bjork.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Don’t care about the advanced stats. At all. No desire to discuss them.
In terms of secondary scoring they added kase, Craig smith, and then you could make an argument for the development of guys like studnicka and bjork.


I wasnt talking CORSI or anything like that - but purely the fact that 50% of all offense is drive by one line and 3 players. The playoffs and the start of this season (albeit small sample size) has shown we lack some creativity and scoring punch on secondary lines.

I know everyone loves Craig Smith but he is a steady eddie with a ceiling of 50 pts and a basement of 29 - but not sure a two way forward is the key to offensive creativity. Kase looks lost on the team at times, so again fingers crossed you are right and he finds his form. Bjork - meh take it or leave it 3rd line winger at best.
Jan. 18, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.
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I wasnt talking CORSI or anything like that - but purely the fact that 50% of all offense is drive by one line and 3 players. The playoffs and the start of this season (albeit small sample size) has shown we lack some creativity and scoring punch on secondary lines.

I know everyone loves Craig Smith but he is a steady eddie with a ceiling of 50 pts and a basement of 29 - but not sure a two way forward is the key to offensive creativity. Kase looks lost on the team at times, so again fingers crossed you are right and he finds his form. Bjork - meh take it or leave it 3rd line winger at best.


Smith is a 20 goal guy. I think it’s a bit wacky to put a ceiling on a developing player such as bjork.
Jan. 19, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
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Smith is a 20 goal guy. I think it’s a bit wacky to put a ceiling on a developing player such as bjork.


You are right that putting a ceiling on someone is hard - but given he will be 25 this year and barely performs when he gets put into a top 6 role when we have injuries and the fact there is a revolving door for wingers on the 2nd. How much time do you give a forward before you can determine his ceiling as an NHL player? I mean perhaps his game doesn't fit our system and you are right he is a top line winger, but even if that is the case his use is limited.
Jan. 19, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.
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Smith is a 20 goal guy. I think it’s a bit wacky to put a ceiling on a developing player such as bjork.


Also just to add - again small sample size on the year - we have scored 3 goals this season and not 1 has been at 5 on 5. We have good players for possession numbers, but we lack a secondary sniper to ensure we add quality to the quantity which was some of the original comments earlier.

Again I hope you are right and that we have 8, 20 goal scoring forwards and that Anders becomes a mainstay on the top lines and performs - but I just can't see it happening.
Jan. 19, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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Also just to add - again small sample size on the year - we have scored 3 goals this season and not 1 has been at 5 on 5. We have good players for possession numbers, but we lack a secondary sniper to ensure we add quality to the quantity which was some of the original comments earlier.

Again I hope you are right and that we have 8, 20 goal scoring forwards and that Anders becomes a mainstay on the top lines and performs - but I just can't see it happening.


The bruins have eight guys on their roster that have scored 20 goals. “Can’t see it,” seems to be a bit of a reach. I guess i should clarify i meant score at a 20 goal pace.
Jan. 19, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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You are right that putting a ceiling on someone is hard - but given he will be 25 this year and barely performs when he gets put into a top 6 role when we have injuries and the fact there is a revolving door for wingers on the 2nd. How much time do you give a forward before you can determine his ceiling as an NHL player? I mean perhaps his game doesn't fit our system and you are right he is a top line winger, but even if that is the case his use is limited.


You and i aren’t on the team dude. It isn’t, “we.”
Jan. 19, 2021 at 5:00 p.m.
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Also just to add - again small sample size on the year - we have scored 3 goals this season and not 1 has been at 5 on 5. We have good players for possession numbers, but we lack a secondary sniper to ensure we add quality to the quantity which was some of the original comments earlier.

Again I hope you are right and that we have 8, 20 goal scoring forwards and that Anders becomes a mainstay on the top lines and performs - but I just can't see it happening.


smith hurt playing through lower body injury obviously a big impact considering he was 3rd lowest toi last game, pastrnak hurt wont be back till feb, kase hurt midway through game 2. i mean thats 3 of the 8 forwards who could be potentially be 20 goal scorers. add in now you have different line combos because of the injuries, chemistry is all off.
Jan. 19, 2021 at 5:37 p.m.
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smith hurt playing through lower body injury obviously a big impact considering he was 3rd lowest toi last game, pastrnak hurt wont be back till feb, kase hurt midway through game 2. i mean thats 3 of the 8 forwards who could be potentially be 20 goal scorers. add in now you have different line combos because of the injuries, chemistry is all off.


That is fair - I dare say that there isn't a season a hockey player "doesn't play hurt" - Smith for sure he is the new kid on the block, but he isn't what I call an offensive stud by any means, but more so a two way forward with some point potential. Again I hope we are talking at the end of the season saying we have 8, 20 goal scorers etc., I would love to be proved wrong
Jan. 19, 2021 at 10:28 p.m.
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Is debrusk a consistent 20 goal guy? He only scored 27 goals once, and that was considered a "breakout year". He probably would have scored 20 last year if he played 82 games. He had 19
Jan. 19, 2021 at 10:29 p.m.
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If Smith, a consistent 20 goal guy, is put on the 3rd line, then why is debrusk a one time 20 goal scorer, on the second? Shouldn't that be an area to upgrade?
 
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