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Next Season

Created by: PinkWhitney
Initial Creation Date: Jan 18, 2021
Published: Jan 18 at 9:57
Team: 2021-22 New York Rangers
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Lundkvist, Nils3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel5$5,000,000
Chytil, Filip3$2,750,000
Gauthier, Julien2$800,000
Lindgren, Ryan7$4,500,000
Shesterkin, Igor7$5,000,000
Howden, Brett2$750,000
Hájek, Libor2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ryan, Bobby1$750,000
Paquette, Cédric2$1,500,000
Oleksiak, Jamie3$2,750,000
Trades
NYR
    Seattle.
    ANA
    1. Strome, Ryan
    NYR
    1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
    WSH
    1. Trouba, Jacob
    2. Kravtsov, Vitali
    3. Miller, K'Andre
    4. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
    Additional Details:
    Overpay IMO
    NYR
    1. Graves, Ryan
    COL
    1. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
    Buyouts
    • Henrik Lundqvist: $1,500,000
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,433,333
    • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
    • Brad Richards: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    NYR
    NYR
    BUF
    NYR
    OTT
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2022
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2023
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$75,528,968$0$6,350,000$5,971,032
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    NYR
    Kreider, Chris
    $6,500,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    NYR
    Zibanejad, Mika
    $5,350,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Buchnevich, Pavel
    $5,000,000
    RW, LW
    RFA
    NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    $11,642,857
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Kuznetsov, Evgeny
    $7,800,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Lafrenière, Alexis
    $925,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Chytil, Filip
    $2,750,000
    C, LW
    RFA
    Ryan, Bobby
    $750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA
    NYR
    Lemieux, Brendan
    $1,550,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Paquette, Cédric
    $1,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA
    NYR
    Gauthier, Julien
    $800,000
    RW
    RFA
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    $4,500,000
    LD
    RFA
    NYR
    Fox, Adam
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    $5,000,000
    G
    RFA
    COL
    Graves, Ryan
    $3,166,667
    LD
    UFA - 2
    NYR
    Deangelo, Anthony
    $4,800,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    $2,425,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    Oleksiak, Jamie
    $2,750,000
    LD
    UFA
    NYR
    Lundkvist, Nils
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    NYR
    Howden, Brett
    $750,000
    C
    RFA
    NYR
    Hájek, Libor
    $750,000
    LD
    RFA

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    Jan 18 at 10:05
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    Trouba is going to waive NMC ? Why? When he refused to sign with anyone but NYR,NYI,NJD. Due to his fiancé’s residency after med school
    Jan 18 at 10:13
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    So we're giving up 2 of our top 5 prospects, a 1st and Trouba for Kuznetsov?


    Yea....... No
    Jan 18 at 10:13
    #3
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    Quoting: Bolts_Fan_Dan
    Trouba is going to waive NMC ? Why? When he refused to sign with anyone but NYR,NYI,NJD. Due to his fiancé’s residency after med school


    Who says it was between the NYR,NYI and NJD for Trouba's services's? First off it was between the Rangers and Red Wings. Gorton gave Chevy his asking price while Holland balked. That's the only reason why Trouba is playing in New York saying that he'd only sign with those 3 teams is false.
    Jan 18 at 10:13
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    yes, overpayment.
    So why post it?
    Jan 18 at 10:14
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    I gladly take the COL deal but swiftly decline the Caps deal. Kuzy is quite a disaster at defense and his offense has weirdly dropped since 18-19. Not worth giving up 2 of out best futures, a number 2 d-man and a 1st for Kuzy.
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    Jan 18 at 10:14
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    Quoting: Bulletclub94
    So we're giving up 2 of our top 5 prospects, a 1st and Trouba for Kuznetsov?


    Yea....... No


    I'd have to take out Miller because Washington has no room for him within the next 3 years lol
    Jan 18 at 10:16
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Who says it was between the NYR,NYI and NJD for Trouba's services's? First off it was between the Rangers and Red Wings. Gorton gave Chevy his asking price while Holland balked. That's the only reason why Trouba is playing in New York saying that he'd only sign with those 3 teams is false.

    Jacob Trouba said it that was who.
    Jan 18 at 10:17
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Who says it was between the NYR,NYI and NJD for Trouba's services's? First off it was between the Rangers and Red Wings. Gorton gave Chevy his asking price while Holland balked. That's the only reason why Trouba is playing in New York saying that he'd only sign with those 3 teams is false.


    Trouba whined for many years about wanting to go to New York.
    Jan 18 at 10:19
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    Quoting: Bolts_Fan_Dan
    Jacob Trouba said it that was who.


    Source, When did Trouba say that. I watched his interviews and he said either New York City or home to Detroit were his preferred destinations.
    Jan 18 at 10:21
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    Quoting: mondo
    Trouba whined for many years about wanting to go to New York.


    Since when, There we no links with Trouba to New York. His future Wife only decided to make the move to New York slightly before he was dealt She doesn't even graduate from college until this year. Then she'll go to New York this coming summer.
    Jan 18 at 10:31
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Since when, There we no links with Trouba to New York. His future Wife only decided to make the move to New York slightly before he was dealt She doesn't even graduate from college until this year. Then she'll go to New York this coming summer.

    Often you have your residency set up before you graduate not everyone let’s things wait until the last minute
    Jan 18 at 10:31
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Since when, There we no links with Trouba to New York. His future Wife only decided to make the move to New York slightly before he was dealt She doesn't even graduate from college until this year. Then she'll go to New York this coming summer.


    There was definitely indications that Trouba wanted to go to New York years before his trade. Maybe it was more hearsay, but I do remember it.

    Absolutely nothing about Detroit though.
    Jan 18 at 11:17
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    i'd rather have Trouba long term at $8M than ADA.
    Jan 18 at 1:11
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    Avs decline, he’s Seattle bait, if they don’t take him that’s ok as they don’t care if it’s compher or donskoi.
    They are moving graves for a minimal return
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    Jan 18 at 1:15
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    Quoting: coga16
    Avs decline, he’s Seattle bait, if they don’t take him that’s ok as they don’t care if it’s compher or donskoi.
    They are moving graves for a minimal return


    Why would Seattle take him?

    Dermott, Bean/Skjei, Mete, etc are all better LD options than Graves... There aren't too many TWD on the right side available.
    Jan 18 at 1:17
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    Quoting: PinkWhitney
    Why would Seattle take him?

    Dermott, Bean/Skjei, Mete, etc are all better LD options than Graves... There aren't too many TWD on the right side available.


    If they don’t take him that’s cool, they can have compher or donskoi instead,

    Just saying if they move graves it will be more than a 2nd.
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    Jan 18 at 1:19
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    Quoting: coga16
    If they don’t take him that’s cool, they can have compher or donskoi instead,

    Just saying if they move graves it will be more than a 2nd.


    What exactly do you think Graves is worth? Lol. If he's so great, why aren't they playing him with Makar again?

    Players worth more than a 2nd aren't left unprotected bud...
    Jan 18 at 1:23
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    Quoting: PinkWhitney
    What exactly do you think Graves is worth? Lol. If he's so great, why aren't they playing him with Makar again?


    Considering toews went for 2 2nds and zadorov got saad, graves for a2nd is light. He gets close to toews return

    So a deep blue line where graves can play on your 3rd pair put is getting top 4 minutes is something you think diminishes his value? That’s backwards thinking
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    Jan 18 at 1:27
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    Quoting: coga16
    Considering toews went for 2 2nds and zadorov got saad, graves for a2nd is light. He gets close to toews return

    So a deep blue line where graves can play on your 3rd pair put is getting top 4 minutes is something you think diminishes his value? That’s backwards thinking


    Saad had a terrible year and almost everyone knows that was a terrible trade for Chicago...

    Toews is a good two way defenseman who can put up 30+ points a season and as you said, brought back two 2nds so how do you compare Graves to getting that kind of return when he doesn't bring the offense or the two way game that Toews does?

    A 2nd is fair value for Graves in this market and you're lucky if you even get that.
    Jan 18 at 2:07
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    Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
    I gladly take the COL deal but swiftly decline the Caps deal. Kuzy is quite a disaster at defense and his offense has weirdly dropped since 18-19. Not worth giving up 2 of out best futures, a number 2 d-man and a 1st for Kuzy.

    You might accept the COL trade, but Colorado themselves wouldn't.
    Jan 18 at 2:09
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    Quoting: PinkWhitney
    What exactly do you think Graves is worth? Lol. If he's so great, why aren't they playing him with Makar again?

    Players worth more than a 2nd aren't left unprotected bud...


    Trading Graves for a draft pick does absolutely nothing for our cup chances this season. And with just a 2nd round pick we wouldn't be able to get a similarly valued LHD as Graves.

    Thus, not only does it not make sense for Colorado strategically, but the value isn't right either.
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    Jan 18 at 2:13
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    Quoting: Richard88
    You might accept the COL trade, but Colorado themselves wouldn't.


    Yeah I figured that
    Jan 18 at 2:16
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    Quoting: coga16
    Considering toews went for 2 2nds and zadorov got saad, graves for a2nd is light. He gets close to toews return

    So a deep blue line where graves can play on your 3rd pair put is getting top 4 minutes is something you think diminishes his value? That’s backwards thinking


    Graves and Toews have very comparable stats up to now in their careers. Both joined the NHL in their mid-20's and have almost identical games played and points, suggesting that their value isn't far off eachother. In terms of asset value, this past offseason Toews only had 1 year left of team control, whereas Graves had 2, tipping the balance towards Graves.

    Graves is now cost-controlled until 2023, at what is a very manageable caphit for a top 4 Dman. Toews went for 2 2nd's which was somewhat under-market value due to NYI's cap situation and the lack of buyers with capspace.

    By contrast there will be no pressure on Colorado to trade Graves (certainly not the pressure NYI had), and if Graves were to get traded it would be in a better market than this past offseason as teams will have had a year to adjust to the flat cap and more capspace will open up. All of which suggests that just one 2nd round pick is not enough.
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    Jan 18 at 7:19
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Trading Graves for a draft pick does absolutely nothing for our cup chances this season. And with just a 2nd round pick we wouldn't be able to get a similarly valued LHD as Graves.

    Thus, not only does it not make sense for Colorado strategically, but the value isn't right either.


    "Assuming he doesn't get picked by Seattle" that means this is next season...

    Next season you will have Toews, Girard, and Byram on the left with Makar, Johnson, and Timmons on the right. No room for Graves.
     
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