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Ok fine rebuilding Nashville for the second time today

Created by: AndrewLadd
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 19, 2021
Published: Jan. 19, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Nashville Predators
Team Explanation
This time it’s really a rebuild. All trades made after the expansion draft. All firsts r top 5 protected.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Saros, Juuse2$2,500,000
Bean, Jake2$1,000,000
Smith, C.J.2$750,000
Roslovic, Jack2$2,350,000
Lind, Kole2$925,000
Honka, Julius1$925,000
Fabbro, Dante3$3,000,000
Pitlick, Rem1$925,000
Tolvanen, Eeli2$1,250,000
Allard, Frédéric2$750,000
Carcone, Michael2$750,000
Craggs, Lukas2$750,000
Davies, Jeremy2$750,000
Fortunato, Brandon2$750,000
Harpur, Ben2$750,000
Jeannot, Tanner2$750,000
Lewington, Tyler2$750,000
Malone, Sean2$750,000
McCarron, Michael2$750,000
Olivier, Mathieu2$750,000
Richard, Anthony2$750,000
Smith, Cole2$750,000
Wilkins, Josh2$750,000
Rafferty, Brogan1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Perlini, Brendan1$750,000
Dansk, Oscar1$750,000
Trades
1.
NSH
    ANA
    1. Grimaldi, Rocco
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    Expansion draft
    2.
    NSH
    1. Beecher, John [Reserve List]
    2. 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
    BOS
    1. Ekholm, Mattias
    Additional Details:
    Comes w an extension.
    3.
    NSH
    1. Gardiner, Jake
    2. Bean, Jake [RFA Rights]
    3. Pashin, Alexander [Reserve List]
    4. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
    CAR
    1. Arvidsson, Viktor
    4.
    NSH
    1. Smith, C.J. [RFA Rights]
    2. 2022 6th round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Borowiecki, Mark
    5.
    NSH
    1. Roslovic, Jack [RFA Rights]
    2. Niku, Sami
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
    4. 2022 1st round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. Johansen, Ryan ($1,500,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    Only way RoJo gets traded is w retention IMO.
    6.
    NSH
    1. Eriksson, Loui
    2. Lind, Kole [RFA Rights]
    3. Rafferty, Brogan [RFA Rights]
    4. 2023 1st round pick (VAN)
    VAN
    1. Järnkrok, Calle
    7.
    NSH
    1. Dellandrea, Ty
    2. Honka, Julius [RFA Rights]
    3. 2022 1st round pick (DAL)
    4. 2023 3rd round pick (DAL)
    DAL
    1. Forsberg, Filip
    Additional Details:
    Deadline trade, comes w an extension.
    Buyouts
    • Kyle Turris: $2,000,000
    • Steven Santini: $275,000
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Ryan Johansen: $1,500,000 (18.75%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
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    2022
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    2023
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$62,351,142$0$537,500$19,148,858
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Roslovic, Jack
    $2,350,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
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    Duchene, Matt
    $8,000,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 5
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    Kunin, Luke
    $2,300,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
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    Tolvanen, Eeli
    $1,250,000
    LW
    RFA - 3
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    Sissons, Colton
    $2,857,143
    RW, C
    UFA - 5
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    Tomasino, Philip
    $863,333
    RW, C
    RFA - 3
    Perlini, Brendan
    $750,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
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    Dellandrea, Ty
    $863,333
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    Lind, Kole
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
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    Cousins, Nick
    $1,500,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
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    Pitlick, Rem
    $925,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
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    Olivier, Mathieu
    $750,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Josi, Roman
    $9,059,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
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    Ellis, Ryan
    $6,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
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    Saros, Juuse
    $2,500,000
    G
    UFA - 4
    Bean, Jake
    $1,000,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 3
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    Fabbro, Dante
    $3,000,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the NSH
    Ingram, Connor
    $733,333
    G
    RFA - 2
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    Gardiner, Jake
    $4,050,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
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    Benning, Matthew
    $1,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Honka, Julius
    $925,000
    RD
    UFA
    Logo of the NSH
    Trenin, Yakov
    $725,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the VAN
    Eriksson, Loui
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1

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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.
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    @gmgb @Jeuck75 are you not entertained?
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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    Forsberg in Dallas would be sweet
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
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    Quoting: AndrewLadd
    @gmgb @Jeuck75 are you not entertained?

    They might not be, but to me THIS IS A REBUILD!
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: Pond_Duck
    They might not be, but to me THIS IS A REBUILD!


    Exactly
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:12 p.m.
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    Entertained - absolutely. If I were David Poile though, I'm afraid I'd decline pretty much everything here.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
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    The first one was more interesting from a Bruins perspective.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
    Forsberg in Dallas would be sweet


    Yes, it would be different to say the least.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: gmgb
    Entertained - absolutely. If I were David Poile though, I'm afraid I'd decline pretty much everything here.

    Well at least ur entertained
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    The first one was more interesting from a Bruins perspective.

    Ik and tbh I agree, but my goal here was to try to satisfy the fans of both teams
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    The first one was more interesting from a Bruins perspective.


    Lmao, I'm sure it was. Not remotely realistic though.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
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    Dont think BOS bites on that one. When Arvi was in the mix it changes things (not saying it was fair value.. I mentioned Debrusk probably wouldve had to be included for NSH). The prospect pool is so scarce in BOS that they may shy away from this one.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: Heyhowareya37
    Dont think BOS bites on that one. When Arvi was in the mix it changes things. The prospect pool is so scarce in BOS that they may shy away from this one.


    That’s definitely fair
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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    That’s definitely fair


    Definitely nailed the player fits and values in my mind though.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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    That team would suck but the trades give some good pieces to begin rebuilding around. Dellandrea, Beecher, Roslovic, Niku, Lind, and Bean are all pretty good assets. Add in the top 5 picks likely coming Nashville's way for the next season or 2 and you have a solid base for a rebuild.

    I've toyed with the idea of doing a complete tear down of Nashville personally. Outside of Josi we don't really have any top of the NHL talent. Coming out of the teardown coincide with Askarov coming over from the KHL in a couple years. It's not long before this team will be forced to reset. We're one of the oldest teams in the NHL and too middle of the pack.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    That team would suck but the trades give some good pieces to begin rebuilding around. Dellandrea, Beecher, Roslovic, Niku, Lind, and Bean are all pretty good assets. Add in the top 5 picks likely coming Nashville's way for the next season or 2 and you have a solid base for a rebuild.

    I've toyed with the idea of doing a complete tear down of Nashville personally. Outside of Josi we don't really have any top of the NHL talent. Coming out of the teardown coincide with Askarov coming over from the KHL in a couple years. It's not long before this team will be forced to reset. We're one of the oldest teams in the NHL and too middle of the pack.


    Agreed, I think they’re a huge candidate for a tear down soon and it would certainly make for a lot of creative acgms on this website
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: Heyhowareya37
    Definitely nailed the player fits and values in my mind though.


    Thank you! Did my best, it was hard to do it for 6 separate trades that’s for sure
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Agreed, I think they’re a huge candidate for a tear down soon and it would certainly make for a lot of creative acgms on this website


    yep. I can't wait to see what people think Josi will go for. There's a couple teams that could really use a top notch LD but i fail to see too many teams being willing to pay what Nashville might want.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 1:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    That team would suck but the trades give some good pieces to begin rebuilding around. Dellandrea, Beecher, Roslovic, Niku, Lind, and Bean are all pretty good assets. Add in the top 5 picks likely coming Nashville's way for the next season or 2 and you have a solid base for a rebuild.

    I've toyed with the idea of doing a complete tear down of Nashville personally. Outside of Josi we don't really have any top of the NHL talent. Coming out of the teardown coincide with Askarov coming over from the KHL in a couple years. It's not long before this team will be forced to reset. We're one of the oldest teams in the NHL and too middle of the pack.


    I'm not as high on a lot of these prospects as you. Dellandrea is an intriguing middle six prospect, but not as the main piece in a Forsberg trade. Niku, Lind, Roslovic are okayish depth pieces, but NSH's prospect pool has a lot of that right now. It's the high end prospects they're lacking and if they're trading talent like Arvidsson, Forsberg, Ekholm, the Preds should be be able to get some higher ceiling prospects back.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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    That is a LOT for Arvidsson... I don't know that Carolina would entertain this. Pashin right now is the organisations best prospect (currently playing, and in terms of production) Bean AND Gardiner... it would hurt a LOT to lose them both. I just don't think this works.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 2:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: gmgb
    I'm not as high on a lot of these prospects as you. Dellandrea is an intriguing middle six prospect, but not as the main piece in a Forsberg trade. Niku, Lind, Roslovic are okayish depth pieces, but NSH's prospect pool has a lot of that right now. It's the high end prospects they're lacking and if they're trading talent like Arvidsson, Forsberg, Ekholm, the Preds should be be able to get some higher ceiling prospects back.


    Fair enough. Just a difference of opinion on the prospects ceilings. I'm also considering the 1st round picks being able to restock the group. This isn't a quick turn around. Nashville would surely be bad for 2-3 seasons. If we could get a top 3 pick in the 2022 draft and end up with one of Wright, Lambert, or Savoie we'd be much closer to completing a rebuild. In 2023, you have Bedard, Yager, and Heidt as C prospects as well. If we can get better prospects that great but this is a very solid supporting cast. Typically you have to draft that very top tier group.

    The way I see it:

    Between Bean, Farrance, Davies, Del Gaizo, Fabbro, Chistyakov, and Yeryomenko, I think Nashville would have a solid group of future dmen.

    Tomasino, Tolvanen, Roslovic, Kunin, Dellandrea, Lind, Afanasyev set a solid future wing base though top end skill is questionable. Tomasino has the makings of a good top 6 RW/C. Kunin looks like a good middle 6 RW. Roslovic could land anywhere in the top 9. Tolvanen should settle in somewhere in the middle 6. Afanasyev and Dellandrea should end up as middle 6 Cs. Throw in a couple top 5 picks, a UFA or two, and several 1st round picks and I think the team would round out and be much younger.

    It would likely take 4-5 years to be truly competitive again but the bubble gum and glue aren't working. The team average age is 28. We should be peaking but we've steadily declined since the trip to the cup finals.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    That is a LOT for Arvidsson... I don't know that Carolina would entertain this. Pashin right now is the organisations best prospect (currently playing, and in terms of production) Bean AND Gardiner... it would hurt a LOT to lose them both. I just don't think this works.


    Pashin is your best prospect? Admittedly, I don't know anything about him, but he was a 7th round pick just this past off-season. I thought the OP just threw him in the proposal as a very minor depth piece. Bean is a nice piece, a 1st would be a given if Arvidsson was being traded for futures, I view Gardiner as an unnecessary (to NSH) salary dump.

    CAR would love Arvidsson, but I don't see them offering a Suzuki or Jarvis for him, and without a high end prospect like that, someone else would outbid them. There are enough teams that need a guy like Arvidsson more than CAR does.
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    Jan. 19, 2021 at 2:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: gmgb
    Pashin is your best prospect? Admittedly, I don't know anything about him, but he was a 7th round pick just this past off-season. I thought the OP just threw him in the proposal as a very minor depth piece. Bean is a nice piece, a 1st would be a given if Arvidsson was being traded for futures, I view Gardiner as an unnecessary (to NSH) salary dump.

    CAR would love Arvidsson, but I don't see them offering a Suzuki or Jarvis for him, and without a high end prospect like that, someone else would outbid them. There are enough teams that need a guy like Arvidsson more than CAR does.


    Yeah you're in the same boat as I am with Pashin. I looked through various articles on Hurricanes prospects trying to glean what his perceived value may be and didn't come up with much. Also currently Gardiner is a 3rd pairing D that doesn't play on the PK and in a cap strapped world 4.05M for a 3rd pairing dman being given very limited minutes is more of a cap dump then viewed as a must keep player.

    I think Edmonton would also love Arvidsson. Modeled after the Carolina trade here, it'd be something like Broberg, 1st, Siikanen, James Neal.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 2:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: gmgb
    Pashin is your best prospect? Admittedly, I don't know anything about him, but he was a 7th round pick just this past off-season. I thought the OP just threw him in the proposal as a very minor depth piece. Bean is a nice piece, a 1st would be a given if Arvidsson was being traded for futures, I view Gardiner as an unnecessary (to NSH) salary dump.

    CAR would love Arvidsson, but I don't see them offering a Suzuki or Jarvis for him, and without a high end prospect like that, someone else would outbid them. There are enough teams that need a guy like Arvidsson more than CAR does.


    Pashin was a 2nd round projected pick who fell like a stone. He's currently over a PPG in the Russian MHL (equivalent to juniors) and is getting games in both the VHL (Russian AHL) and the KHL. He's incredibly great going forward, and fell a lot because he's 5'7. He could easily have gone in the late 1st/early 2nd. He is an incredible talent.

    I understand that Arvidsson would be an expensive piece, but I would imagine a more suitable center piece is someone like Bokk or Gunler, who are both naturally gifted scorers. While depth scoring is a SERIOUS need for the Hurricanes (yes, it is their major need, not goaltending) I can't see it for this price.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caniac2000
    Pashin was a 2nd round projected pick who fell like a stone. He's currently over a PPG in the Russian MHL (equivalent to juniors) and is getting games in both the VHL (Russian AHL) and the KHL. He's incredibly great going forward, and fell a lot because he's 5'7. He could easily have gone in the late 1st/early 2nd. He is an incredible talent.

    I understand that Arvidsson would be an expensive piece, but I would imagine a more suitable center piece is someone like Bokk or Gunler, who are both naturally gifted scorers. While depth scoring is a SERIOUS need for the Hurricanes (yes, it is their major need, not goaltending) I can't see it for this price.


    Having read up on Pashin a little now, it sounds like CAR found a nice prospect, relative to his draft position. I don't think he has the trade value of anything near to a late 1st/early 2nd though. If any GM felt his value was anything close to that, he would have been selected well before the 7th round. Maybe he exceeds expectations, but it would take at least a season or two for him to be able show he's worth more than a late round pick.

    Gunler is nice. Bokk is too (but there's a big gap between the two). Neither is enough to be the main piece in an Arvi proposal for me though.
    Jan. 19, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: gmgb
    Having read up on Pashin a little now, it sounds like CAR found a nice prospect, relative to his draft position. I don't think he has the trade value of anything near to a late 1st/early 2nd though. If any GM felt his value was anything close to that, he would have been selected well before the 7th round. Maybe he exceeds expectations, but it would take at least a season or two for him to be able show he's worth more than a late round pick.

    Gunler is nice. Bokk is too (but there's a big gap between the two). Neither is enough to be the main piece in an Arvi proposal for me though.


    Pashin is was ranked as one of the best prospects going into the draft. Scouts love him. He fell because he's tiny. Not because he's a bad kid. He's VERY talented going forward, although he does have some issues defensively. He was projected to be a 2nd rounder. He fell to the 7th. That doesn't mean he's not good enough to have gone in the 2nd round because it's quite wrong, and that is the approach you are taking here.

    Gunler and Bokk are very similar, I don't think you truly know the quality of each piece if you think there's a large gap between the two. However, if neither are a starting piece, then I do not see a way in which a deal can be made.
     
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