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Bonino

Created by: moli92
Initial Creation Date: Jan 20, 2021
Published: Jan 20 at 4:53
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Trades
COL
  1. Bonino, Nick ($2,050,000 retained)
MIN
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Ian Cole: $800,000 (19%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
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    2022
    COL
    COL
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    2023
    COL
    COL
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$81,451,387$0$2,500,000$48,613
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    COL
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    $5,571,429
    LW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    MacKinnon, Nathan
    $6,300,000
    C, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Rantanen, Mikko
    $9,250,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
    COL
    Saad, Brandon
    $5,000,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Kadri, Nazem
    $4,500,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Burakovsky, André
    $4,900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Nichushkin, Valeri
    $2,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Bonino, Nick
    $2,050,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Donskoi, Joonas
    $3,900,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Calvert, Matt
    $2,850,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
    $1,800,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Compher, J.T.
    $3,500,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 3
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    COL
    Toews, Devon
    $4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    COL
    Makar, Cale
    $880,833
    RD
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Grubauer, Philipp
    $3,333,333
    G
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Girard, Samuel
    $5,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 7
    COL
    Johnson, Erik
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Francouz, Pavel
    $2,000,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Graves, Ryan
    $3,166,667
    LD
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Timmins, Conor
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    COL
    Jost, Tyson
    $874,125
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Pateryn, Greg
    $2,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
    COL
    Byram, Bowen
    $894,167 ($0)
    LD
    RFA - 3
    COL
    Kaut, Martin
    $863,333 ($0)
    RW
    RFA - 3
    COL
    Miska, Hunter
    $725,000 ($0)
    G
    RFA - 2
    COL
    Sherwood, Kiefer
    $750,000 ($0)
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    COL
    Gilbert, Dennis
    $925,000 ($0)
    LD
    RFA - 1

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    Jan 20 at 4:55
    #1
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    2021 1st and he's yours.
    Jan 20 at 4:55
    #2
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    Bonino would be a great for the Avs if we sell IMO. Probably will cost like a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if there's other teams interested
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    Jan 20 at 4:56
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    Quoting: TanSor
    Bonino would be a great for the Avs if we sell IMO. Probably will cost like a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if there's other teams interested


    3rd isn't enough and the Avs don't have a 2nd. It's not a good fit in that regard.
    Jan 20 at 4:57
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    Quoting: Caerii
    2021 1st and he's yours.


    come on...
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    Jan 20 at 4:57
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    Quoting: moli92
    come on...


    See my post above. He's worth around a 2nd, and the Avs don't have one until 2023.
    Jan 20 at 4:58
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    Quoting: Caerii
    See my post above. He's worth around a 2nd, and the Avs don't have one until 2023.


    They won’t pay a 2021 1st for Bonino
    Maybe Jost or Bowers and MIN add
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    Jan 20 at 4:59
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    Quoting: TanSor
    Bonino would be a great for the Avs if we sell IMO. Probably will cost like a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if there's other teams interested


    Id gladly give a 2nd + sweetener for him with retention but the Avs dont have a 2nd until 2023. Instead they could offer guys like Jost, Bowers, etc and possibly picks as well
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    Jan 20 at 5:00
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    Quoting: moli92
    come on...


    Minnesota isn't trading one of their centers when they don't have a replacement. They will likely make the playoffs as a wild card team. West is weak with little competition.

    What exactly are you giving up for Bonino 2M retained because I know you don't think you're getting him for a bag of pucks...
    Jan 20 at 5:00
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    Quoting: GMs
    They won’t pay a 2021 1st for Bonino
    Maybe Jost or Bowers and MIN add


    There are other teams that are capable of paying the cost. It looks like Colorado will be out of luck on Bonino. The Wild have no interest in adding to obtain Jost or Bowers.
    Jan 20 at 5:02
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    Quoting: Caerii
    There are other teams that are capable of paying the cost. It looks like Colorado will be out of luck on Bonino. The Wild have no interest in adding to obtain Jost or Bowers.


    Like when I trade Bjustad to MIN and you were saying MIN don’t want or need Bjustad ... kick rocks
    Jan 20 at 5:02
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    Quoting: Caerii
    See my post above. He's worth around a 2nd, and the Avs don't have one until 2023.


    I agree hes worth a 2nd, but just because the Avs dont have one for the next 2 years doesnt mean the price automatically jumps up to a 1st. The value of a 2nd could be made up of a prospect or young player and possibly sweeteners on top of that
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    Jan 20 at 5:02
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    Quoting: Caerii
    2021 1st and he's yours.


    Quoting: TanSor
    Bonino would be a great for the Avs if we sell IMO. Probably will cost like a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if there's other teams interested


    What about Sampo Ranta? He is tearing it up this year for the Minnesota Golden Gophers and would be interested in a trade around Bonino and Ranta.
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    Jan 20 at 5:03
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    Quoting: PinkWhitney
    Minnesota isn't trading one of their centers when they don't have a replacement. They will likely make the playoffs as a wild card team. West is weak with little competition.

    What exactly are you giving up for Bonino 2M retained because I know you don't think you're getting him for a bag of pucks...


    Jost/Bowers/Helleson/etc. possibly picks on top of that depending on who MIN is interested in
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    Jan 20 at 5:04
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    Quoting: PinkWhitney
    Minnesota isn't trading one of their centers when they don't have a replacement. They will likely make the playoffs as a wild card team. West is weak with little competition.

    What exactly are you giving up for Bonino 2M retained because I know you don't think you're getting him for a bag of pucks...


    I wonder if Guerin will be wary about facing Colorado in round 1 of the playoffs, and thus avoids trading Bonino to Colorado.
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    Jan 20 at 5:05
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    Quoting: CowSaysMoo
    What about Sampo Ranta? He is tearing it up this year for the Minnesota Golden Gophers and would be interested in a trade around Bonino and Ranta.


    Id do that. Could even add additional picks on top of that
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    Jan 20 at 5:05
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    Quoting: CowSaysMoo
    What about Sampo Ranta? He is tearing it up this year for the Minnesota Golden Gophers and would be interested in a trade around Bonino and Ranta.


    I suggested Ranta + 4th for Bonino (no retention) in another thread. Bump the 4th up to a 3rd with 50% retained.
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    Jan 20 at 5:06
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    Quoting: moli92
    I agree hes worth a 2nd, but just because the Avs dont have one for the next 2 years doesnt mean the price automatically jumps up to a 1st. The value of a 2nd could be made up of a prospect or young player and possibly sweeteners on top of that


    Indeed. There are many ways to find value that matches a 2nd rounder that don't involve a 1st.
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    Jan 20 at 5:10
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    Quoting: moli92
    I agree hes worth a 2nd, but just because the Avs dont have one for the next 2 years doesnt mean the price automatically jumps up to a 1st. The value of a 2nd could be made up of a prospect or young player and possibly sweeteners on top of that


    Twins just got 2nd round pick & nick Bonino for Luke kunin. Yeah, kunin could get a 1st. Twins aren't trading him for less
    Jan 20 at 5:11
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    Quoting: Richard88
    I suggested Ranta + 4th for Bonino (no retention) in another thread. Bump the 4th up to a 3rd with 50% retained.


    No from wild who already have too many wingers. If wild are out of it , will only Bonino be available but not for winger prospect either Ranta doesn't touch wild top 15 prospect even.
    So no @Richard88
    Jan 20 at 5:11
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    Quoting: Richard88
    I suggested Ranta + 4th for Bonino (no retention) in another thread. Bump the 4th up to a 3rd with 50% retained.


    Btw, the value of 50% retained on that contract at the deadline in real cash is $451k. Seems reasonable to bump a pick up from 4th to 3rd, or just add another mid/late round pick.
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    Jan 20 at 5:11
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    Quoting: GMs
    Like when I trade Bjustad to MIN and you were saying MIN don’t want or need Bjustad ... kick rocks


    You mean when you were proposing mid round picks for him and the Wild gave up a conditional 7th so they could flip him at the deadline for more?

    Quoting: CowSaysMoo
    What about Sampo Ranta? He is tearing it up this year for the Minnesota Golden Gophers and would be interested in a trade around Bonino and Ranta.

    Quoting: moli92
    Jost/Bowers/Helleson/etc. possibly picks on top of that depending on who MIN is interested in


    It's completely dependent on what Guerin is looking for. It's possible if he likes those players, but it's more likely he'd rather just pick his own player in the draft. Since Guerin isn't here and I am, I don't see why we would have any interest in any of them. With the 2nd, there's a higher chance you can actually get a player better than Bonino is.

    Quoting: Richard88
    Indeed. There are many ways to find value that matches a 2nd rounder that don't involve a 1st.


    Sure, but as stated above, it depends on how Guerin feels about those players. How many of them would you take over a 2nd round pick right now?
    Jan 20 at 5:12
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    Quoting: Wildnochance
    Twins just got 2nd round pick & nick Bonino for Luke kunin. Yeah, kunin could get a 1st. Twins aren't trading him for less


    Kunin got Bonino + an early 2nd and also moved up from pick 101 to pick 70. The total package for Kunin was worth a 1st, but Bonino alone wont return that
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    Jan 20 at 5:12
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    Quoting: Wildnochance
    No from wild who already have Kaapo Kahkonen, & cam Talbot. So no @Richard88


    What do goalies have to do with this trade? Sampo Ranta is a LW.
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    Jan 20 at 5:13
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    Quoting: Wildnochance
    No from wild who already have Kaapo Kahkonen, & cam Talbot. So no @Richard88


    ? I dont see what your goalies have to do with a winger prospect but ok
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    Jan 20 at 5:16
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    Quoting: Caerii
    You mean when you were proposing mid round picks for him and the Wild gave up a conditional 7th so they could flip him at the deadline for more?

    It's completely dependent on what Guerin is looking for. It's possible if he likes those players, but it's more likely he'd rather just pick his own player in the draft. Since Guerin isn't here and I am, I don't see why we would have any interest in any of them. With the 2nd, there's a higher chance you can actually get a player better than Bonino is.

    Sure, but as stated above, it depends on how Guerin feels about those players. How many of them would you take over a 2nd round pick right now?


    The benefit of receiving young players/prospects instead of picks is that you've had the opportunity to see them in their D+1 or D+2 or later years, thus reducing the risk of the asset/player/pick busting. Guerin will likely also want for the rebuild to be quick, and waiting 3-4 years to see if a prospect turns out might not be as appealing as getting an NHL ready prospect who can jump into the lineup to replace Bonino.
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