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Should this team trade their vets if they sell at the TDL

Created by: Bdawwwgy1
Initial Creation Date: Jan 20, 2021
Published: Jan 20 at 5:49
Team: 2020-21 Columbus Blue Jackets
Trades
CBJ
  1. Andrae, Emil [Reserve List]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
Additional Details:
On one hand these guys could get decent returns. On the other hand.... our culture is seemingly screwed already and you don't want to mess that up further if they want to re sign
PHI
  1. Savard, David
CBJ
  1. Tullio, Tyler [Reserve List]
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (EDM)
  3. 2021 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Foligno, Nick ($2,250,000 retained)
CBJ
  1. 2021 5th round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Nash, Riley ($1,200,000 retained)
CBJ
  1. 2021 5th round pick (VGK)
  2. 2022 5th round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Koivu, Mikko
Buyouts
  • Scott Hartnell: $1,250,000
  • Alexander Wennberg: $441,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Foligno: $2,250,000 (163.64%)
  • Riley Nash: $1,200,000 (43.64%)
  • Nick Foligno: $2,750,000 (50%)
  • David Savard: $2,125,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
CBJ
PHI
CBJ
CBJ
EDM
CBJ
NJD
BOS
VGK
CBJ
CBJ
2022
CBJ
CBJ
CBJ
EDM
CBJ
WSH
CBJ
CBJ
ANA
2023
CBJ
CBJ
CBJ
CBJ
CBJ
CBJ
CBJ
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$70,032,459$0$2,075,000$11,467,541
Left WingCenterRight Wing
CBJ
Texier, Alexandre
$897,500
LW, C
RFA - 1
CBJ
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$5,000,000
C
RFA - 2
CBJ
Bjorkstrand, Oliver
$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
CBJ
Grigorenko, Mikhail
$1,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
CBJ
Domi, Max
$5,300,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
CBJ
Atkinson, Cam
$5,875,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
CBJ
Robinson, Eric
$975,000
LW
UFA - 2
CBJ
Jenner, Boone
$3,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
CBJ
Bemström, Emil
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
CBJ
Foudy, Liam
$894,167
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
CBJ
MacInnis, Ryan
$700,000
C
UFA - 1
CBJ
Stenlund, Kevin
$874,125
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
CBJ
Werenski, Zachary
$5,000,000
LD
RFA - 2
CBJ
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Merzlikins, Elvis
$4,000,000
G
UFA - 2
CBJ
Gavrikov, Vladislav
$2,800,000
LD
UFA - 3
CBJ
Peeke, Andrew
$916,667
RD
RFA - 1
CBJ
Korpisalo, Joonas
$2,800,000
G
UFA - 2
CBJ
Del Zotto, Michael
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
CBJ
Kukan, Dean
$1,650,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
CBJ
Harrington, Scott
$1,633,333
LD
UFA - 2
CBJ
Nyquist, Gustav
$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
CBJ
Dubinsky, Brandon
$5,850,000
C, LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
CBJ
Carlsson, Gabriel
$725,000
LD
RFA - 2
Taxi Squad
CBJ
Matteau, Stefan
$725,000 ($0)
LW
UFA - 1
CBJ
Gerbe, Nathan
$750,000 ($0)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
CBJ
Kivlenieks, Matiss
$725,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 2
CBJ
Clendening, Adam
$700,000 ($0)
RD
UFA - 1

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Jan 20 at 5:58
#1
Ville Koho
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The Bruins have no spot for Nash in their lineup but nice idea
Jan 20 at 6:08
#2
Hey Beter
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Yes, but with a caveat:

They use the accrued picks to move (in this case) the PHI 2nd Round Pick up in the draft as far as they can. The Jackets need 2 definite talents to come out of this draft, as their development window coincides with the 2 years left on the deals for PLD, Jones, Elvis(?), Domi, Werenski, and Foudy. Those two (assuming 1st round talents) need to be NHL roster-ready by the time those mentioned players have signed their next deals.

In this case, names like Andre and Tullio you're hoping to be shoring up the AHL roster or complimentary pieces to this roster. Hopefully everything else can be managed through some clever UFA signings.

If they can't manage that, they're losing the affordability those 2 ELC deals would grant what's projecting to be a very expensive, top-heavy roster.
Jan 20 at 6:10
#3
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IMO they should think about rebuilding which would consist of trading a bunch of those guys. Columbus is a pretty decent team but they're far from cup contenders, and I don't really see any way they can significantly improve without rebuilding. The return they get for Dubois should be a nice start and trading away veterans for draft picks helps as well. If they do it right, they'll be back in a couple years since they already have a lot of good young pieces.
Jan 20 at 6:29
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Savard is definitely a player I'd be interested in the Flyers acquiring is this really what you'd expect as a return?
Jan 20 at 8:03
#5
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Quoting: flyersarephilly
Savard is definitely a player I'd be interested in the Flyers acquiring is this really what you'd expect as a return?


I think this is close to the return, but with a prospect worse than Andrae IMO. I think OP was likely trying to throw in an arbitrary prospect without realizing Andrae is probably now a top 5 prospect in our org
Jan 20 at 8:10
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Quoting: DH28Hockey
I think this is close to the return, but with a prospect worse than Andrae IMO. I think OP was likely trying to throw in an arbitrary prospect without realizing Andrae is probably now a top 5 prospect in our org


I think cap space would be the real killer unfortunately someone would need to be moved
Jan 20 at 9:17
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Quoting: Ville__Koho
The Bruins have no spot for Nash in their lineup but nice idea


IDK that I'd say that. He's a C/LW and could fill in on either the 3rd/4th line if need be. He'd certainly be an upgrade of Lindholm
Jan 21 at 8:13
#8
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Savard probably brings back a 1st at TDL. Any team serious on winning a cup with a need of solid defensive play would probably have him at the top of the list.

As for trading Foligno, that's a real double edge sword. Yeah, moving on from him is no huge loss for CBJ as far as he's gonna be a UFA. But at the same time, I don't know that it's A. even possible and B. in the best interest of CBJ to move him.

as for point A. he probably blocks the trade. He's got kids. They have been settled in Columbus for a long time. I don't think they are going anywhere. So he basically blocks all 10 playoff teams and puts him with one team left on the list, like the penguins or something, aka close by and probably not being traded to.

Point B. what the hell happens inside that locker room after he's gone. They really don't have any to be captain other than him. Those are just facts of life. In a lot of sense you have to think Nick is sort of damage control against Torts. I honestly think he's the only one left in that locker room capable of being that too. I think as he's lost help things have kind of started to spiral. Make no doubt he use to have help. Guys like Dubinsky were huge in keeping that team together. The two of them actually brought guys like Anderson, Jenner, and PLD under their wing and made these guys the players they are today.
Hard nosed, tough, stick up for your teammates kind of guys. Make no doubt about that mentorship.
But Dub is gone, and it's been just Nick. You move a guy like Savard out, and then you trade Nick and the leadership on that team goes where?
Jones? please.
Atkinson? I don't think so.
At some point they need guys willing to go toe to toe with Torts and put him down before he rips the team apart. Which he will. Nick and Dub were that firewall. Neither one was willing to put up with his ****.
That's been known for awhile and removing the last part of that firewall, will mean bad news for CBJ.
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Jan 21 at 8:51
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Quoting: pharrow
Savard probably brings back a 1st at TDL. Any team serious on winning a cup with a need of solid defensive play would probably have him at the top of the list.

As for trading Foligno, that's a real double edge sword. Yeah, moving on from him is no huge loss for CBJ as far as he's gonna be a UFA. But at the same time, I don't know that it's A. even possible and B. in the best interest of CBJ to move him.

as for point A. he probably blocks the trade. He's got kids. They have been settled in Columbus for a long time. I don't think they are going anywhere. So he basically blocks all 10 playoff teams and puts him with one team left on the list, like the penguins or something, aka close by and probably not being traded to.

Point B. what the hell happens inside that locker room after he's gone. They really don't have any to be captain other than him. Those are just facts of life. In a lot of sense you have to think Nick is sort of damage control against Torts. I honestly think he's the only one left in that locker room capable of being that too. I think as he's lost help things have kind of started to spiral. Make no doubt he use to have help. Guys like Dubinsky were huge in keeping that team together. The two of them actually brought guys like Anderson, Jenner, and PLD under their wing and made these guys the players they are today.
Hard nosed, tough, stick up for your teammates kind of guys. Make no doubt about that mentorship.
But Dub is gone, and it's been just Nick. You move a guy like Savard out, and then you trade Nick and the leadership on that team goes where?
Jones? please.
Atkinson? I don't think so.
At some point they need guys willing to go toe to toe with Torts and put him down before he rips the team apart. Which he will. Nick and Dub were that firewall. Neither one was willing to put up with his ****.
That's been known for awhile and removing the last part of that firewall, will mean bad news for CBJ.


Good insight. I really do appreciate torts coaching systems but his toxicity blows.

Also I'd prefer Andrae and a 2nd over a first, cause I'm really high on him. But Savard is a huge locker room guy too, no idea why he hasn't got an A
Jan 22 at 12:56
#10
Ville Koho
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Quoting: ON3M4N
IDK that I'd say that. He's a C/LW and could fill in on either the 3rd/4th line if need be. He'd certainly be an upgrade of Lindholm


Lindholm is a healthy scratch most nights
Jan 22 at 2:15
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Quoting: Ville__Koho
Lindholm is a healthy scratch most nights


And? Nash is still an upgrade over Lindholm.
 
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