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Jarmo wants a hockey deal

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Team: 2020-21 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 22, 2021
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Hurts losing Fiala, but the Wild finally have a 1C.
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Fenton is a part of the Jackets organization, I'd imagine he'd push hard for Fiala if what LeBrun thinks is actually true.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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Quoting: JayTea
I'm sure when Guerin acquired Bonino, he didn't consider PLD was going to be available. Bonino would be gone in an instant if that's the roster player along with whatever else Columbus wants to get the deal done.

He wouldn't be letting him go for a rental center. He'd be letting him go for whatever is included with Bonino. Bonino is just someone to get them through the year and if they want, they can extend him.


I understand, but the way I'm perceiving the trade is that Jarmo would like a centre as a key component.

Quoting: OutCold13
Not getting EK and Fiala. I agree they would love Ek but him and Fiala is too much.

The 4 games doesn't matter, Minnesota only acquired Bonino for a culture change and to move him for futures before the trade deadline was never likely to be long term.


Would you rather deal EK or Fiala is Dubois was seriously on the table for Minnesota? I can understand why you wouldn't want both going.

Quoting: wabit
That's why Rossi will probably be headed to CBJ in any PLD trade. Bonino is the stopgap center for this year and a cap equalizer.


Would make sense. I only suggested EK because he's a roster player and I'm under the impression Wild fans don't want to see Rossi dealt so soon.

EDIT: Alright a couple more people posted after me not a fan of a Rossi deal. I don't think it'd be Rossi + Fiala.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:08 p.m.
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Would you rather deal EK or Fiala is Dubois was seriously on the table for Minnesota? I can understand why you wouldn't want both going.


As long as you put it that way we are in agreement. I absolutely think the Jackets would want Ek. I would hate to lose Fiala or Ek but I think I prefer to lose Fiala. Wild have many left shot wings and he is due a raise. Plus Wild probably have to add more in Ek trade vs. a Fiala trade. I could be wrong but that's my thought process.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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Just as a reminder, sounds like Jarmo doesn't want a ton of futures based on what LeBrun tweeted so I'd imagine he wouldn't be all that interested in Rossi or Boldy for that matter.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
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You think so? Fiala scored 26 points in his final 19 games last season, had 3 goals and an assist in our 4 play-in games and even though he's pointless so far this year he has looked fantastic. I see him as a ppg player, especially with more talent in Columbus. Seemed like a fair swap to me but maybe you're right


It’s not about who’s better or produces more. It’s the fact that the jackets aren’t going to move him unless they get what they want. And they won’t be moving Dubois for only a winger. Will probably want a guy like khovanov as well.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.
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Just as a reminder, sounds like Jarmo doesn't want a ton of futures based on what LeBrun tweeted so I'd imagine he wouldn't be all that interested in Rossi or Boldy for that matter.


If we give them Ek do you think Jarmo takes Zuccarello as well?
Pretty sure he has played under Torts before? J/K ........but for real.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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If we give them Ek do you think Jarmo takes Zuccarello as well?
Pretty sure he has played under Torts before? J/K ........but for real.


Why would Zucc waive his NMC to go to CBJ.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:25 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
The way PLD has played?

Not a chance in hell they get Rossi.

Khovanov or Khusnutdinov? Sure. But not Rossi.

They might get Boldy, though.


Boldy is a better prospect than Rossi. If Boldy is available then Rossi is just easily on the table,
Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:26 p.m.
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Just as a reminder, sounds like Jarmo doesn't want a ton of futures based on what LeBrun tweeted so I'd imagine he wouldn't be all that interested in Rossi or Boldy for that matter.


I think a Fiala for Rossi trade would be great. It means Granny turned into the center MN always wanted him to be.tears of joy
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
Boldy is a better prospect than Rossi. If Boldy is available then Rossi is just easily on the table,


No he isn't, that is just a biased opinion on your part. The vast majority of professional scouts and prospect analyst's who do this for a living disagree with you.

Most prospects lists have Boldy listed in the 30's, Rossi is a top ten prospect on those same lists.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:40 p.m.
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Why would Zucc waive his NMC to go to CBJ.


I'm working on the powerpoint presentation about Columbus' rich Norwegian heritage as we speak.. @OutCold13 want to help out? grin
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:43 p.m.
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As long as you put it that way we are in agreement. I absolutely think the Jackets would want Ek. I would hate to lose Fiala or Ek but I think I prefer to lose Fiala. Wild have many left shot wings and he is due a raise. Plus Wild probably have to add more in Ek trade vs. a Fiala trade. I could be wrong but that's my thought process.


I would REALLY hate to lose Ek. I think he'll be as good as Koivu, but hopefully with Rossi in the system he'll actually have a center on the roster to help out unlike Koivu for most of his career.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:48 p.m.
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Why would Zucc waive his NMC to go to CBJ.


I dream big. I don't think he does.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.
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I'm working on the powerpoint presentation about Columbus' rich Norwegian heritage as we speak.. @OutCold13 want to help out? grin

Not saying I am qualified or even good at it, but my ethics are sketchy enough to falsify whatever documentation you need.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:54 p.m.
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Fiala imo doesnt get you PLD 1 for 1. He's older and not as good. just my opinion but teams would probably offer more


I would argue Fiala might be the better player, certainly a lot more fun to watch! PLD playing center might force the Wild to add a 2nd...tops!
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:57 p.m.
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No he isn't, that is just a biased opinion on your part. The vast majority of professional scouts and prospect analyst's who do this for a living disagree with you.

Most prospects lists have Boldy listed in the 30's, Rossi is a top ten prospect on those same lists.


Boldy has the higher floor, and the same 1st line ceiling. Rossi's luster isn't as bright as it was after the WJC (not his fault his team sucked), his limited time in the Swiss league, and being injured indefinitely in what should be a big developmental year for him. Boldy on the other hand has had a great season so far in the WJC and BC.

Just look at Kovanov. He was being looked at as much better prospect (2ppg in the Q) between the end of last season and now because he couldn't do anything in the KHL. The "what have you done lately" matters more than offseason scouting reports when it comes to prospects.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
That's why Rossi will probably be headed to CBJ in any PLD trade. Bonino is the stopgap center for this year and a cap equalizer.


Rossi, Bonino, and a 2nd for PLD?
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:05 p.m.
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I would argue Fiala might be the better player, certainly a lot more fun to watch! PLD playing center might force the Wild to add a 2nd...tops!


Fiala might be the better player, but it's the wing compared to center positional importance that shifts it to PLD's favor.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:05 p.m.
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Just as a reminder, sounds like Jarmo doesn't want a ton of futures based on what LeBrun tweeted so I'd imagine he wouldn't be all that interested in Rossi or Boldy for that matter.


That’s interesting to me since Columbus has one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

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I'm working on the powerpoint presentation about Columbus' rich Norwegian heritage as we speak.. @OutCold13 want to help out? grin


I’m 50% Norwegian...can I be of some service here?
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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Rossi, Bonino, and a 2nd for PLD?


I'd go with the later of MN's 1sts (top-3 protected). I don't think a 2nd gets the deal done.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:08 p.m.
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Fiala might be the better player, but it's the wing compared to center positional importance that shifts it to PLD's favor.


Im guessing that response was racing from your brain to your fingers so fast it interfered with your capacity to comprehend what I wrote...
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:09 p.m.
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I'd go with the later of MN's 1sts (top-3 protected). I don't think a 2nd gets the deal done.


Assume for a second that you considered Rossi and Boldy equals...how would you evaluate this?
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:11 p.m.
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That’s interesting to me since Columbus has one of the worst prospect pools in the league.


They are in a 2 year window with the way their team is built. They need to try and go for it this year. Maybe they sell off at the TDL if things don't work out. Maybe they try again next year with what they have and then sell at the TDL next season f things don't work out.

They have a lot of rental+1s that could get good returns Jones, Domi, Jenner, both goalies.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.
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Im guessing that response was racing from your brain to your fingers so fast it interfered with your capacity to comprehend what I wrote...


I was agreeing with you on the observation.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
Boldy has the higher floor, and the same 1st line ceiling. Rossi's luster isn't as bright as it was after the WJC (not his fault his team sucked), his limited time in the Swiss league, and being injured indefinitely in what should be a big developmental year for him. Boldy on the other hand has had a great season so far in the WJC and BC.

Just look at Kovanov. He was being looked at as much better prospect (2ppg in the Q) between the end of last season and now because he couldn't do anything in the KHL. The "what have you done lately" matters more than offseason scouting reports when it comes to prospects.


I actually agree with you there, except for two specific points.

1) Boldy's floor is considered to be a top 9 player, Rossi's floor is considered to be a 2nd line center. Rossi is for the most part considered to have the higher floor of the two prospects. I'd agree, however, that the way Boldy has progressed and looked of late means more then likely he's going to hit his potential ceiling of a top 6 guy.

Rossi's had a rough go of it lately, there's no doubt about that. But I don't think that necessarily drops his value or his ceiling at all, but it does push back his development a bit. So you're right there.

2) Khovanov seems to be back on track playing in the VHL this is once again producing and more importantly his attitude has dramatically improved as well. There's still a high chance he may well yet work out.
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Jan. 22, 2021 at 6:16 p.m.
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Assume for a second that you considered Rossi and Boldy equals...how would you evaluate this?


Still the 1st with either Boldy or Rossi. Next year's draft will be way too much guessing because of the lack of games for so many draft year players.

Or you could add in something like Addison/Menell + 3rd instead of the 1st.
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