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(CBJ/WPG) - Dubois and 3rd for Laine, Roslovic

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Jan 25 at 3:45
#126
V4 CBJ GM
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Quoting: weirfanno1
Yup can't be any closer to family lol


unless he goes to the AHL lol
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Jan 25 at 5:26
#127
We are all equal
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Quoting: HabsFan77
unless he goes to the AHL lol


lol very true, good one!
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Jan 25 at 10:56
#128
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Quoting: weirfanno1
Yup can't be any closer to family lol


Well snap, had someone only mentioned that to begin with.

But either way, if only contract negotiations were that simple to begin with. Keep him, trade him, re-sign him, we’ll see.

I think WPG’s “70-80 point” average projection is a bit high, but PLD’s got a damn good ceiling, no question.
Jan 25 at 10:57
#129
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Quoting: TheWolfe
To be fair, who actually wants to live in Ohio?


I mean, these days, which player is actually dreaming they play in any market that isn’t an Original Six or otherwise a Mega-Metro city (I.e. LA, Miami, Dallas, etc.).
Jan 26 at 8:51
#130
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Quoting: dopplsan
I’m not a huge fan of this for CBJ, but I think from the sounds of it, I’m missing something with Roslovic.

What is his potential looking like? I haven’t really watched him...


Roslovic's ceiling is most likely 3rd line center, hence it only costing a third rounder from the Blue Jackets (if you assume PLD-Laine was 1-for-1). Roslovic had the opportunity to play 2nd line center last year when Bryan Little went down with injury a month into the season, but Roslovic didn't claim that role due to his inconsistent play. Instead, the Jets moved Blake Wheeler from the 1RW into 2C and then later on put Copp as 2C. Roslovic went back to where he has done well, which is 3rd line wing. A change of scenery is going to be good for him.
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Jan 26 at 9:25
#131
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
Roslovic's ceiling is most likely 3rd line center, hence it only costing a third rounder from the Blue Jackets (if you assume PLD-Laine was 1-for-1). Roslovic had the opportunity to play 2nd line center last year when Bryan Little went down with injury a month into the season, but Roslovic didn't claim that role due to his inconsistent play. Instead, the Jets moved Blake Wheeler from the 1RW into 2C and then later on put Copp as 2C. Roslovic went back to where he has done well, which is 3rd line wing. A change of scenery is going to be good for him.


Mr. Canoehead. Hadn't seen you post in a quite some time. Always loved your avatar. Keep paddling young man.
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Jan 26 at 9:45
#132
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Quoting: palhal
Mr. Canoehead. Hadn't seen you post in a quite some time. Always loved your avatar. Keep paddling young man.


Life always gets in the way of posting. Mr. Canoehead is my favourite parody superhero from the past.
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Jan 26 at 10:04
#133
Pettersson_40
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Quoting: dopplsan
Oh mos def...without question the best coach CBJ have ever had. Though, that isn’t exactly a high bar to cross, FWIW.

I’ve already cooled down from this take, a bit. It’s more that the team has had consistent issues for the past few seasons running, and having gone through this “star player wants to leave” narrative a few years running, it’s just feeling like something has to change.


I just don't think that Torts is to blame for all that.
Jan 27 at 12:42
#134
ButIActLikeIDid
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Quoting: drewjenkins
Laine isn't Ovechkin bro ....

When Ovechkin was 22 years old he owned a:

- 112 + 106 point season (Laine = 70 / 64)
- 65 + 52 goal season (Laine = 44 / 36)
- Art Ross Trophy (most points)
- Richard Trophy (most goals)
- Ted Lindsay (players MVP)
- Hart Trophy (league MVP)

Laine has exactly zero of those awards,
Laine has never been nominated for one.
Laine hasn't received a single vote for one.
Laine isn't physically dominant like Ovie was.
Laine's stats are roughly 40% lower than Ovies.
There only similarity is a lack of defensive effort.

Your ignorance brightened my day.
Thank you.


Quoting: drewjenkins
Laine isn't Ovechkin bro ....

When Ovechkin was 22 years old he owned a:

- 112 + 106 point season (Laine = 70 / 64)
- 65 + 52 goal season (Laine = 44 / 36)
- Art Ross Trophy (most points)
- Richard Trophy (most goals)
- Ted Lindsay (players MVP)
- Hart Trophy (league MVP)

Laine has exactly zero of those awards,
Laine has never been nominated for one.
Laine hasn't received a single vote for one.
Laine isn't physically dominant like Ovie was.
Laine's stats are roughly 40% lower than Ovies.
There only similarity is a lack of defensive effort.

Your ignorance brightened my day.
Thank you.


Youre missing the point. He didn’t mean that Laine is as good as Ovi as a 22 year old. He’s comparing Ovi-Getzlaf to Laine-Dubois. That’s completely different discussion. Getzlaf’s seasons were 39 and 58 points during that same time as Ovi played as a rookie and as a sophomore.
Jan 27 at 6:07
#135
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Quoting: hockeyman2006
I just don't think that Torts is to blame for all that.


I don’t either...like I said, I’ve cooled a bit. Don’t want to kick him out the door, but feels like *some* type of big change is needed. And word is he’s leaning towards retirement soon anyway.

But hey, maybe change is named Laine.
Jan 28 at 6:56
#136
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I don't see how people view this as a win for Columbus. With Laine, they're getting a borderline 5-on-5 liability whose numbers are better cause of his PP play. Roslovic will be a good future middle-six winger/center but won't ever be known for posting many points rather known for elite defense. Dubois is an elite play driver and could easily post 80+ points in the future especially if he plays with Scheifele. People are overrating Laine's value here. The only way Winnipeg loses if they utilize Dubois in the wrong way. I would love to see a line of Dubois - Scheifele - Ehlers.

Overall it's a fair deal for both. Torts will have a negative impact (or maybe positive you never know) on Laine's 5-on-5 play but will make Roslovic one of the best 2nd liners in hockey.
Jan 28 at 1:28
#137
ButIActLikeIDid
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Quoting: Bo61
I don't see how people view this as a win for Columbus. With Laine, they're getting a borderline 5-on-5 liability whose numbers are better cause of his PP play. Roslovic will be a good future middle-six winger/center but won't ever be known for posting many points rather known for elite defense. Dubois is an elite play driver and could easily post 80+ points in the future especially if he plays with Scheifele. People are overrating Laine's value here. The only way Winnipeg loses if they utilize Dubois in the wrong way. I would love to see a line of Dubois - Scheifele - Ehlers.

Overall it's a fair deal for both. Torts will have a negative impact (or maybe positive you never know) on Laine's 5-on-5 play but will make Roslovic one of the best 2nd liners in hockey.


Youre comparing Laine’s weakness to Dubois’ strenght. Amazing analysis 🙃
Jan 28 at 1:52
#138
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Quoting: INeverPlayedHockey
Youre comparing Laine’s weakness to Dubois’ strenght. Amazing analysis 🙃


huh? I swear that most of the game is played 5-on-5? Also, I don't think I talked about either player's defense and I think it's unanimously agreed that Laine's weakness is defense.
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Jan 29 at 10:19
#139
Pettersson_40
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Quoting: dopplsan
I don’t either...like I said, I’ve cooled a bit. Don’t want to kick him out the door, but feels like *some* type of big change is needed. And word is he’s leaning towards retirement soon anyway.

But hey, maybe change is named Laine.


Maybe.
Jan 31 at 1:12
#140
5th Liner
Joined: Aug 2020
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Welcome home Jack. W since both Dubois and Laine may still want to move but Roslovic should stay for a while
Feb 3 at 9:10
#141
HopeTheFlamesComeBak
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Quoting: capfriendlyaccount
Same. WE HAVE STASTNY TOO! Why get ANOTHER CENTER! Where does Dubois play?!
And you don't ever trade a young Ovechkin... Man we're screwed 😭


A young Ovechkin?
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Feb 3 at 4:30
#142
GoJetsGo
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Quoting: Brad21
A young Ovechkin?


Okay, so I will say I've cooled down quite a bit since the trade, and I realized that the value in the long term for the Jets is greater than I initially gave credit for.

I don't think Laine will ever turn out to have a career as great as Ovechkin, but a lot of his game is Ovechkin lite, his shot especially. His defense is also kinda comparable to what Ovechkin's was in his younger years lol. He's an incredible offensive talent that if he reaches his potential could be a 50 goal a year guy. He has tried to make strides in his two way game as well.
Again I don't think he'll ever have the impact Ovechkin has had, but there is a lot of similarities.
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Feb 3 at 5:23
#143
HopeTheFlamesComeBak
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Quoting: capfriendlyaccount
Okay, so I will say I've cooled down quite a bit since the trade, and I realized that the value in the long term for the Jets is greater than I initially gave credit for.

I don't think Laine will ever turn out to have a career as great as Ovechkin, but a lot of his game is Ovechkin lite, his shot especially. His defense is also kinda comparable to what Ovechkin's was in his younger years lol. He's an incredible offensive talent that if he reaches his potential could be a 50 goal a year guy. He has tried to make strides in his two way game as well.
Again I don't think he'll ever have the impact Ovechkin has had, but there is a lot of similarities.


Fair.I kind of agree.
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Feb 8 at 7:35
#144
Please win the cup
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At least Stastny isn't the 2nd line Center
 
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