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Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 23, 2021
Published: Jan. 23, 2021
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  1. Gibson, John
  2. Rowney, Carter
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (ANA)
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  1. Donskoi, Joonas
  2. Francouz, Pavel
  3. Newhook, Alex [Reserve List]
  4. Timmins, Conor
  5. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
  6. 2022 1st round pick (COL)
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21$81,500,000$80,792,220$0$5,425,000$707,780
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
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UFA - 1
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$874,125$874,125
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UFA - 3
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
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UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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RFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 7:31 p.m.
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too steep. gibson is a good goalie but goalies never get that type of return.
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 7:33 p.m.
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Ok that's an overpay and a half lol.
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 7:50 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
too steep. gibson is a good goalie but goalies never get that type of return.


Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
Ok that's an overpay and a half lol.


What do you think Anaheim would accept for Gibson?

He's a top 3 goalie in his prime and signed to a great contract for over half a decade, so wouldn't come cheap.
Jan. 23, 2021 at 7:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
What do you think Anaheim would accept for Gibson?

He's a top 3 goalie in his prime and signed to a great contract for over half a decade, so wouldn't come cheap.


most i'd offer is 1st, 3rd and their choice of byram or newhook. and even then i think thats really steep but i also like gibson.
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 8:08 p.m.
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Barron over timmins
Jan. 23, 2021 at 8:12 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
most i'd offer is 1st, 3rd and their choice of byram or newhook. and even then i think thats really steep but i also like gibson.


I wouldn't trade Byram, the kid looks special.
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 8:25 p.m.
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I wouldn't trade Byram, the kid looks special.


yea it would be hard to part with him but like you said earlier gibson is a top goalie on a good contract.
Jan. 23, 2021 at 8:28 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
yea it would be hard to part with him but like you said earlier gibson is a top goalie on a good contract.


The question is whether the difference between Grubauer and Gibson is worth giving up Byram. I'm not sure it is, as much as Gibson would be nice to have.
Jan. 23, 2021 at 9:22 p.m.
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Gibson isn’t going anywhere. Sorry
Jan. 23, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
The question is whether the difference between Grubauer and Gibson is worth giving up Byram. I'm not sure it is, as much as Gibson would be nice to have.


i think i would bite the bullet on that one. unstable goaltending has already cost the avs one playoffs.
Jan. 23, 2021 at 10:20 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
most i'd offer is 1st, 3rd and their choice of byram or newhook. and even then i think thats really steep but i also like gibson.


I’m not trading Byram for anything short of an elite 1C. And given their choice ANA will want Byram because they have a stud young C prospect in Zegras, so it’s a no go.
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 11:11 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i think i would bite the bullet on that one. unstable goaltending has already cost the avs one playoffs.


It wasn't 'unstable' goaltending that cost us. It was injuries. Injuries to not one, but TWO of our goalies. It doesn't matter if it's Gibson or Patrick Roy in net, if they get hurt you're out of luck.
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Jan. 23, 2021 at 11:13 p.m.
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I'd say the trade starts with Grubauer and keeping Francouz as back up to Gibson.
Jan. 23, 2021 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: TJTwolf
I'd say the trade starts with Grubauer and keeping Francouz as back up to Gibson.


Grubauer is a pending UFA so Anaheim wouldn't really value him at all. The only reason why he'd be included would be if there was salary cap constraints, but with just $1.3m in caphit between Grubauer and Francouz it would make more sense for Colorado to keep Grubauer themselves until he hits UFA, rather than Francouz. Unless of course Sakic doesn't feel like hunting for a backup goalie in the offseason, but I think having Gibson/Grubauer as a tandem would be much more secure for the playoffs than Gibson/Francouz.
Jan. 23, 2021 at 11:45 p.m.
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Grubauer is a pending UFA so Anaheim wouldn't really value him at all. The only reason why he'd be included would be if there was salary cap constraints, but with just $1.3m in caphit between Grubauer and Francouz it would make more sense for Colorado to keep Grubauer themselves until he hits UFA, rather than Francouz. Unless of course Sakic doesn't feel like hunting for a backup goalie in the offseason, but I think having Gibson/Grubauer as a tandem would be much more secure for the playoffs than Gibson/Francouz.


From Anaheim's PoV I'd see it differently. Grubauer can be re-signed and beyond that they've got Miller. If they're going to let Gibson go they're going to want to at least acquire a #1, even if they're going to need to re-sign him. Even as a UFA Grubauer would have much more value in the trade than Francouz as the established guy allowing Colorado to bring down the assets they have to send pretty significantly.

That said, I don't see all that much of a difference in retaining Grubauer versus acquiring Gibson, other than Gibson being a bit younger and tied up longer. Grubauer is statistically a touch better and a former cup winner, and should be easy enough to tie up next year for a few more. Biggest issue for the Avs is if injury strikes again. Miska looks decent enough but if you're relying on any #3G to win you the cup you'd be being very optimistic. I just don't really see goaltending as a big issue for the Avs that is worth those kind of assets for what might be a tiny upgrade at best.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 12:09 a.m.
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Overpay or not. If ANH bites on this I would still do it. Last piece before this team is a powerhouse.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 1:07 a.m.
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Quoting: TJTwolf
From Anaheim's PoV I'd see it differently. Grubauer can be re-signed and beyond that they've got Miller. If they're going to let Gibson go they're going to want to at least acquire a #1, even if they're going to need to re-sign him. Even as a UFA Grubauer would have much more value in the trade than Francouz as the established guy allowing Colorado to bring down the assets they have to send pretty significantly.

That said, I don't see all that much of a difference in retaining Grubauer versus acquiring Gibson, other than Gibson being a bit younger and tied up longer. Grubauer is statistically a touch better and a former cup winner, and should be easy enough to tie up next year for a few more. Biggest issue for the Avs is if injury strikes again. Miska looks decent enough but if you're relying on any #3G to win you the cup you'd be being very optimistic. I just don't really see goaltending as a big issue for the Avs that is worth those kind of assets for what might be a tiny upgrade at best.


Fair points. I still think Anaheim wouldn't want a guy on an expiring contract. In fact, if Avs were to include Grubauer in a deal for Gibson they'd probably just turn around and trade Grubauer for a deadline haul themselves from a playoff team who need help in net.

I agree with you about the 3rd goalie. Avs definitely have to get a better No.3. Miska isn't an NHL goalie.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 9:40 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
i think i would bite the bullet on that one. unstable goaltending has already cost the avs one playoffs.


Is everyone forgetting that gibson has more of a track record of injuries than grubi does
Jan. 24, 2021 at 9:41 a.m.
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I’m not trading Byram for anything short of an elite 1C. And given their choice ANA will want Byram because they have a stud young C prospect in Zegras, so it’s a no go.


They also have drysdale... but they did play well together at the WJC
Jan. 24, 2021 at 9:41 a.m.
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What do you think Anaheim would accept for Gibson?

He's a top 3 goalie in his prime and signed to a great contract for over half a decade, so wouldn't come cheap.


Colorado will never win with compher as their 3c so it's pointless who is in net
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 10:05 a.m.
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It wasn't 'unstable' goaltending that cost us. It was injuries. Injuries to not one, but TWO of our goalies. It doesn't matter if it's Gibson or Patrick Roy in net, if they get hurt you're out of luck.


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Is everyone forgetting that gibson has more of a track record of injuries than grubi does



four games into the follow season and the avs already had to dress their 3rd goalie. grubauer and francouz have never reached a 40 game season yet. avs goaltending is unreliable. gibson regularly plays 50+ games.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 10:55 a.m.
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four games into the follow season and the avs already had to dress their 3rd goalie. grubauer and francouz have never reached a 40 game season yet. avs goaltending is unreliable. gibson regularly plays 50+ games.


Yes but my point is that, you are talking about how grubi and francouz are injury prone... why trade away a handsome package when your getting another goalie with a similar type injury situation at least for the first half of his career
Jan. 24, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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Yes but my point is that, you are talking about how grubi and francouz are injury prone... why trade away a handsome package when your getting another goalie with a similar type injury situation at least for the first half of his career


i don't think he's that injury prone. in the last 4 seasons he's played 50+ games.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.
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They also have drysdale... but they did play well together at the WJC


Still imo it would be insanely foolish to trade Byram, it will likely be close to a decade before the Avs have the opportunity to add a young talent like him.
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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Still imo it would be insanely foolish to trade Byram, it will likely be close to a decade before the Avs have the opportunity to add a young talent like him.


I'm not in favor of the trade.. Gibson's a beast but to valuable to ana where a trade wouldnt be worth it to the avs in the long run
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