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New take on next year with the info we have now

Created by: Silkysmooth42
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 24, 2021
Published: Jan. 24, 2021
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Truthfully, I dont see much changing between this year and next year.
I think (as you can read below) that they will move on from the Kase experiment.
I think they will resign Krejci for a smaller deal (one he will likely take)
They will need money to sign Mcavoy, Debrusk, Studnicka, etc... so I dont see any big free agent signings.
Tuukka looks to want to stay a bruins to end his career and WE CAN NOT SAY whether he will get better/worse or ask for more/less money. So thats all good

Lines are pretty similar to rn (last night) obviously without Kase/Moore etc...
and we have to assume Urho is going to crack the lineup sometime between this year and next.

Very simple, no glaring errors! If you disagree with anything id love to talk but be kind and reasonable because we all know there is nothing "Wrong" with this ACGM. Just a difference of opinion
Free Agent Signings
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2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$925,000
2$925,000
7$5,500,000
2$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$4,500,000
3$1,750,000
1$7,000,000
1$1,250,000
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BOS
  1. 2023 7th round pick (ANA)
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ANY TEAM
ANA
  1. Moore, John
  2. 2023 6th round pick (BOS)
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Now John Moore isnt a cap dump, but to humor all those who say he is, and to show that I am not a homer (cuz apparently anyone who does anything is a homer), I am going to do the ONLY REALISTIC cap dump scenario for him
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BOS
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (DET)
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ANY TEAM but detriot could be a good suitor so a boom or bust kind of experiment
DET
  1. Kase, Ondrej [RFA Rights]
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With the early injury to Kase, I need to believe the experiment isnt going to last much longer. Again as to not appear to be a "HoMeR" I will be giving his rights away for less than what it should be. (which is already less than what it cost them)
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2021
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23$81,500,000$72,349,008$1,956,507$557,500$9,150,992
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
C
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UFA - 1
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$6,666,667$6,666,667
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,675,000$3,675,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
UFA
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$769,167$769,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
RW, C
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW, C
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$3,687,500$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$725,000$725,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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LW
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 12:56 p.m.
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I think they sign Rask for 2 or 3 unless he wants to do year to year.

Moore might be a buyout candidate.

Seattle? Gotta lose someone. Most likely one of Lauzon/Zboril/Ritchie.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 12:56 p.m.
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Imo Kase is a guy you keep, he's RFA and you have 10m$ in cap space
Jan. 24, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Imo Kase is a guy you keep, he's RFA and you have 10m$ in cap space


He will likely be exposed to Seattle. His concussion history is not someone they are going to want to tie to long term at this point and he’s just blocking Studnicka if he’s here.
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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Wings are out in this
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 1:20 p.m.
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Wings will take chances with booms or busts but not for a 3rd round pick.
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
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I think Miller is going to want , deserve 2.5M whether its salary or salary plus bonuses.

Ritchie, if he continues to produce on pp and fit in elsewhere is also going to cost somewhere in 2-3 M range.

Tuukka and Krejci want to finish their careers in Beantown and deserve that respect for all they have done and their continued level of play so that should work itself out agreed.

RESPECFUL differences of opinion encouraged. We all need to take that to heart.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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Quoting: mikearky
Wings will take chances with booms or busts but not for a 3rd round pick.


I agree the first pick of the 3rd round is a bit much for Kase. That Homer like play is why the Wing's signed Bromé. Rasmussen, Söderblom and Grewe are all net front players.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.
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I think they sign Rask for 2 or 3 unless he wants to do year to year.

Moore might be a buyout candidate.

Seattle? Gotta lose someone. Most likely one of Lauzon/Zboril/Ritchie.


True ... I was just being conservative
Mehhh he is still a fine top 6 LHD thats again stuck in a system that doesnt have space for him. They can easily cap dump him a 6th for a 7th if not just getting a 7th for him.
True... maybe Kase is resigned as Expansion bait
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: buffbry
Wings are out in this


Quoting: mikearky
Wings will take chances with booms or busts but not for a 3rd round pick.


Quoting: aedoran
I agree the first pick of the 3rd round is a bit much for Kase. That Homer like play is why the Wing's signed Bromé. Rasmussen, Söderblom and Grewe are all net front players.


Again thats why I said ANY TEAM... but also nah for Kase a 3rd is perfect. he is a young top 6 potential guy! Just has injuries. Again a 3rd was an underestimate
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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I think Miller is going to want , deserve 2.5M whether its salary or salary plus bonuses.

Ritchie, if he continues to produce on pp and fit in elsewhere is also going to cost somewhere in 2-3 M range.

Tuukka and Krejci want to finish their careers in Beantown and deserve that respect for all they have done and their continued level of play so that should work itself out agreed.

RESPECFUL differences of opinion encouraged. We all need to take that to heart.


We will obviously have to see about Miller and Ritchie depending on this year... Just being realistic for how it is Right Now.

But yeah I hate people who come here and are rude when their take is literally wrong. Its one thing for me to see a trade thats like Pasta for a 2nd rounder and I am "rude" because obviously thats dumb, but with stuff like this when I see people like "you ****ing moron Ritchie sucks they wont resign him" im like damn, hes playing really well rn lol
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
True ... I was just being conservative
Mehhh he is still a fine top 6 LHD thats again stuck in a system that doesnt have space for him. They can easily cap dump him a 6th for a 7th if not just getting a 7th for him.
True... maybe Kase is resigned as Expansion bait


If they could have dumped Moore for that they would have already.

Buyout: 833k cap hit next year, 1.33 year 2, 833k year 3 and 4. They can live with that. Can’t live with paying 8th d man 4th $.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:23 p.m.
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If they could have dumped Moore for that they would have already.

Buyout: 833k cap hit next year, 1.33 year 2, 833k year 3 and 4. They can live with that. Can’t live with paying 8th d man 4th $.


Not nessesarily:

The UFA market was oversaturated this year cuz of COVID and the cap not going up. Things will be different next offseason (whether the cap goes up or not).

Also bruins mighta kept him knowing Chara might not be coming back, Miller was a possible no still, which would leave their defence as Girz, Lauzon, Zboril, Mcavoy, Carlo, Clifton... thus NEEDING a 7th dman

So I respectfully disagree. Its more than possible for this to still happen (as a cap dump or not)
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:39 p.m.
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Your trade description is a little disingenuous.

“Again as to not appear to be a "HoMeR" I will be giving his rights away for less than what it should be. (which is already less than what it cost them)”

Kase’s acquisition cost wasn’t a first rounder since a cap dump (Backes) was attached. If you want to say he’s worth a third then fine but his acquisition cost <> current worth.
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Again thats why I said ANY TEAM... but also nah for Kase a 3rd is perfect. he is a young top 6 potential guy! Just has injuries. Again a 3rd was an underestimate


You also said wings make sense, so I was debunking that portion
Jan. 24, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.
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Your trade description is a little disingenuous.

“Again as to not appear to be a "HoMeR" I will be giving his rights away for less than what it should be. (which is already less than what it cost them)”

Kase’s acquisition cost wasn’t a first rounder since a cap dump (Backes) was attached. If you want to say he’s worth a third then fine but his acquisition cost <> current worth.


Unfortunately you are missing a few really important pieces of the trade, so I will help you rn...

Full Trade:
Backes (25% RETAINED) + 1st rounder + AXEL ANDERSSON for Kase (I HIGHLIGHTED the pieces you were missing)

At 25% retained, Backes' contract was worth less than a 1st to take on (based on numerous reports) Additionally, Axel Anderson is a top 4 potential RHD prospect (that is still 20 years old!).
So we can confidently say the ultimate cost of Kase was Axel Anderson and some of the 1st rounder (if we call a 1st rounder the equivalent of a 2nd and a 3rd based on recent pick for pick trades, and Backes was worth a little more than the 2nd)

SO Kase was worth a 3rd(ish) AND AXEL ANDERSSON (worth about a 2nd as well!!! - based on recent trades that are similar)

So Kase for a 3rd is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT

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I agree the first pick of the 3rd round is a bit much for Kase. That Homer like play is why the Wing's signed Bromé. Rasmussen, Söderblom and Grewe are all net front players.


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You also said wings make sense, so I was debunking that portion


Just figured id tag u guys to considering I put all that time in lmao
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Unfortunately you are missing a few really important pieces of the trade, so I will help you rn...

Full Trade:
Backes (25% RETAINED) + 1st rounder + AXEL ANDERSSON for Kase (I HIGHLIGHTED the pieces you were missing)

At 25% retained, Backes' contract was worth less than a 1st to take on (based on numerous reports) Additionally, Axel Anderson is a top 4 potential RHD prospect (that is still 20 years old!).
So we can confidently say the ultimate cost of Kase was Axel Anderson and some of the 1st rounder (if we call a 1st rounder the equivalent of a 2nd and a 3rd based on recent pick for pick trades, and Backes was worth a little more than the 2nd)

SO Kase was worth a 3rd(ish) AND AXEL ANDERSSON (worth about a 2nd as well!!! - based on recent trades that are similar)

So Kase for a 3rd is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT





Just figured id tag u guys to considering I put all that time in lmao


I meant no disrespect your post was well thought out and very detailed. It's just Detroit has several players in a similar situations as Kase and he would be an upgrade over some of those players. With the other holes in their lineup I don't think that is a luxury they can afford right now.
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Unfortunately you are missing a few really important pieces of the trade, so I will help you rn...

Full Trade:
Backes (25% RETAINED) + 1st rounder + AXEL ANDERSSON for Kase (I HIGHLIGHTED the pieces you were missing)

At 25% retained, Backes' contract was worth less than a 1st to take on (based on numerous reports) Additionally, Axel Anderson is a top 4 potential RHD prospect (that is still 20 years old!).
So we can confidently say the ultimate cost of Kase was Axel Anderson and some of the 1st rounder (if we call a 1st rounder the equivalent of a 2nd and a 3rd based on recent pick for pick trades, and Backes was worth a little more than the 2nd)

SO Kase was worth a 3rd(ish) AND AXEL ANDERSSON (worth about a 2nd as well!!! - based on recent trades that are similar)

So Kase for a 3rd is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT





Just figured id tag u guys to considering I put all that time in lmao

That’s a generous projection for Andersson and I didn’t mention those as the quote from the trade description implies Boston paid a first solely for Kase. I say it’s a generous projection as there have been multiple studies of junior hockey that give a corrresponding success chance at the NHL level based on draft year point totals and given his Q stats +2D it’s not super high. I agreed that his rights were worth a third rounder but disagreed with the language of the initial quote. Like I initially said if you want to say his rights are worth a second or third rounder fine, but his accusation cost is diluted with the negative cost of Backes. What sources do you have for the asking price to ship Backes off?

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https://985thesportshub.com/2019/06/25/bruins-have-to-find-way-to-get-out-from-under-the-david-backes-contract/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/1042678/2019/06/22/impossible-to-move-the-patrick-marleau-trade-sets-a-sky-high-price-for-swapping-david-backes/%3famp
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Jan. 24, 2021 at 6:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Unfortunately you are missing a few really important pieces of the trade, so I will help you rn...

Full Trade:
Backes (25% RETAINED) + 1st rounder + AXEL ANDERSSON for Kase (I HIGHLIGHTED the pieces you were missing)

At 25% retained, Backes' contract was worth less than a 1st to take on (based on numerous reports) Additionally, Axel Anderson is a top 4 potential RHD prospect (that is still 20 years old!).
So we can confidently say the ultimate cost of Kase was Axel Anderson and some of the 1st rounder (if we call a 1st rounder the equivalent of a 2nd and a 3rd based on recent pick for pick trades, and Backes was worth a little more than the 2nd)

SO Kase was worth a 3rd(ish) AND AXEL ANDERSSON (worth about a 2nd as well!!! - based on recent trades that are similar)

So Kase for a 3rd is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT





Just figured id tag u guys to considering I put all that time in lmao


That might be true, but it's just not for the wings, regardless of price
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Jan. 26, 2021 at 10:36 a.m.
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I meant no disrespect your post was well thought out and very detailed. It's just Detroit has several players in a similar situations as Kase and he would be an upgrade over some of those players. With the other holes in their lineup I don't think that is a luxury they can afford right now.


Quoting: BStinson
That’s a generous projection for Andersson and I didn’t mention those as the quote from the trade description implies Boston paid a first solely for Kase. I say it’s a generous projection as there have been multiple studies of junior hockey that give a corrresponding success chance at the NHL level based on draft year point totals and given his Q stats +2D it’s not super high. I agreed that his rights were worth a third rounder but disagreed with the language of the initial quote. Like I initially said if you want to say his rights are worth a second or third rounder fine, but his accusation cost is diluted with the negative cost of Backes. What sources do you have for the asking price to ship Backes off?

Quick Search

https://985thesportshub.com/2019/06/25/bruins-have-to-find-way-to-get-out-from-under-the-david-backes-contract/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/1042678/2019/06/22/impossible-to-move-the-patrick-marleau-trade-sets-a-sky-high-price-for-swapping-david-backes/%3famp


Quoting: buffbry
That might be true, but it's just not for the wings, regardless of price


Dont worry boys I gotchu... Even if its a bit generous of a projection, I still think Kase can be confidently said to be worth more than a 3rd rounder.
And moreover - totally get why the Wings might not wanna do it! Its not the guy they are looking for which is why I said Any Team cuz I know that I am not an expert on all other teams lmaoooo

I just wanted to clarify my thought process (and then tagged the other two cuz I figured they might as well see as well!)
Who knows
but im excited (and scared?) to see the wings in the next 10 years
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