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Burns 20 Experiment

Created by: TML1991
Initial Creation Date: Jan 25, 2021
Published: Jan 26 at 9:35
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
it's not like Mo is a great defensive dman to begin with. Could be worth an experiment and can help get lehtonen / sandin some reps as well.
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$80,524,741$0$0$975,259

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167 ($0)
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000 ($0)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$725,000 ($0)
C
RFA - 2
TOR
Anderson, Joey
$750,000 ($0)
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$725,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Boyd, Travis
$700,000 ($0)
C, RW
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Nylander, W.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Rielly, M.
Marner, M.
Power Play 2
Mikheyev, I.
Kerfoot, A.
Hyman, Z.
Lehtonen, M.
Spezza, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Hyman, Z.
Marner, M.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Kerfoot, A.
Mikheyev, I.
Dermott, T.
Brodie, T.

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Jan 26 at 9:37
#1
StarWars addict here
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Rielly is actually very good at defense but ok
Jan 26 at 9:41
#2
Lenny7
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Yikes. You're better off moving Lehtonen or Dermott up, instead of the guy who's eating 28 minutes per game on the point for you right now.
Jan 26 at 9:52
#3
RangerWall92
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Rielly has drastically improved defensively but say what you want
Jan 26 at 9:58
#4
In Pridham we trust
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He's not our best defensive defenceman, but he's by far our best transition dman (you know that part that the puck leaves the Leafs zone and gets on Marner/Matthews/Nylander stick) which is a fairly important part of the game.
Jan 26 at 10:01
#5
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TML1991
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 647
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Quoting: RangerWall92
Rielly has drastically improved defensively but say what you want


he has certainly improved with Brodie as his partner but his relative xGA has been poor for a couple years now.

Take the following with a grain of salt cuz it's a small sample size

out of the 7 dmen we have used Rielly (at 5v5) after 6 games is

6th in xGF%
5th in CF%
4th in xGF/60
7th in xGA/60
6th in xG±/60


just an idea for a player that is very good with zone exits and entries (when he has the opportunity)
Jan 26 at 10:03
#6
RangerWall92
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Quoting: TML1991
he has certainly improved with Brodie as his partner but his relative xGA has been poor for a couple years now.

Take the following with a grain of salt cuz it's a small sample size

out of the 7 dmen we have used Rielly (at 5v5) after 6 games is

6th in xGF%
5th in CF%
4th in xGF/60
7th in xGA/60
6th in xG±/60


just an idea for a player that is very good with zone exits and entries (when he has the opportunity)


It's not about the advanced numbers. Watch him play and you'll see
Jan 26 at 10:05
#7
Thread Starter
TML1991
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Quoting: RangerWall92
It's not about the advanced numbers. Watch him play and you'll see


why not both? if what you're seeing with your eyes doesnt line up with what the numbers are saying then it's certainly something to look at and not disregard.
Jan 26 at 10:07
#8
Thread Starter
TML1991
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Quoting: Barilko14
He's not our best defensive defenceman, but he's by far our best transition dman (you know that part that the puck leaves the Leafs zone and gets on Marner/Matthews/Nylander stick) which is a fairly important part of the game.


very good point about his transition play, and there would obviously be a drop off to lehtonen or sandin, by how much who knows, both those guys are pretty decent with the puck,

it's just a random thought i had, wanted to see the reception.
Jan 26 at 10:24
#9
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Likes: 993
Ummmmmm....... NO!
Jan 26 at 10:28
#10
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Quoting: TML1991
he has certainly improved with Brodie as his partner but his relative xGA has been poor for a couple years now.

Take the following with a grain of salt cuz it's a small sample size

out of the 7 dmen we have used Rielly (at 5v5) after 6 games is

6th in xGF%
5th in CF%
4th in xGF/60
7th in xGA/60
6th in xG±/60


just an idea for a player that is very good with zone exits and entries (when he has the opportunity)


And I would argue that his advanced stats are more a coorelation to the super awesome defense partners he has had.

When we can probably all agree his best was Hainsey....... that's a problem.

Brodie will allow Reilly to take his game to anither level, I mean didn't Giordano win a Norris with Bordie as his partner?
Jan 26 at 11:28
#11
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TML1991
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Quoting: swinny
And I would argue that his advanced stats are more a coorelation to the super awesome defense partners he has had.

When we can probably all agree his best was Hainsey....... that's a problem.

Brodie will allow Reilly to take his game to anither level, I mean didn't Giordano win a Norris with Bordie as his partner?


yes you're right his playing partners historically haven't helped, but a lot of the information out there takes into account playing partners, and Reilly has consistently been poor defensively, even relative to his partners.

Also the stats I quoted are from this year, playing with brodie.

The idea to move Mo up may not be a good one, that's fine, but it's really hard to make an argument mo is very good defensively.
Jan 26 at 11:29
#12
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TML1991
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Rielly is actually very good at defense but ok


The idea may not be great, that's fine its just a random idea, but Mo is hardly a defensive stalwart.
Jan 26 at 12:13
#13
In Pridham we trust
Joined: May 2015
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Likes: 1,310
Quoting: TML1991
very good point about his transition play, and there would obviously be a drop off to lehtonen or sandin, by how much who knows, both those guys are pretty decent with the puck,

it's just a random thought i had, wanted to see the reception.


Rielly on the ice for 24min per night moving the puck in the right direction is a better idea then him on the ice for 16 min per night wheeling around the offensive zone.

He's also not Brent Burns. Burns had some success as a forward because he has a lethal shot, and paired very well with a generational playmaker.

Your idea takes a No. 1 dman and turns him into K. Kapanen pretty well. That seems like a pretty big loss.
Jan 26 at 1:57
#14
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TML1991
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Quoting: Barilko14
Rielly on the ice for 24min per night moving the puck in the right direction is a better idea then him on the ice for 16 min per night wheeling around the offensive zone.

He's also not Brent Burns. Burns had some success as a forward because he has a lethal shot, and paired very well with a generational playmaker.

Your idea takes a No. 1 dman and turns him into K. Kapanen pretty well. That seems like a pretty big loss.


fair point. Just trying to downplay some of Mo's defensive issues while still giving him opportunities on offense. It's clearly not a popular idea, which I completely get, I like Mo's game overall and it's obviously a massive risk when Mo is a huge part of the d core and plays a ton of minutes.

The only posters I disagree with are the ones that say Mo is very good defensively. He's not, that's not his strength and never has been. He's still a very good defenseman.
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