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Dunn trade to every team

Created by: Blues4TheCup
Initial Creation Date: Jan 26, 2021
Published: Jan 27 at 10:43
Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues
Team Explanation
Keep in mind the picks have different values depending on what team it is.

Obviously not al the values are equal but that is the rough idea of what I believe Dunn is worth. A B prospect and a 1st or a Good prospect and a 2nd.

ALL PICKS ARE LOTTERY PROTECTED
Trades
STL
    Jan Jenik
    2nd round pick
    ARI
      STL
        Victor Berglund
        1st round pick
        BOS
          STL
            Yan Kuznetsov
            1st round pick
            CGY
              STL
                Noel Gunler
                2nd round pick
                CAR
                  STL
                    Nicolas Beaudin
                    2nd round pick
                    CHI
                      STL
                        Drew Helleson
                        1st round pick
                        COL
                          STL
                            Emil Bemstrom
                            2nd round pick
                            CBJ
                              STL
                                Riley Tufte
                                1st round pick
                                DAL
                                  STL
                                    Jonathan Bergren
                                    2nd round pick
                                    DET
                                      STL
                                        Evan Bouchard
                                        EDM
                                          STL
                                            Grigori Denisenko
                                            FLA
                                              STL
                                                Rasmus Kupari
                                                2nd round pick
                                                LAK
                                                  STL
                                                    Vladislav Firstov
                                                    1st round pick (PIT)
                                                    MIN
                                                      STL
                                                        Jesse Ylonen
                                                        1st round pick
                                                        MTL
                                                          STL
                                                            Luke Prokop
                                                            1st round pick
                                                            NSH
                                                              STL
                                                                Bode Wilde
                                                                1st round pick
                                                                NYI
                                                                  STL
                                                                    Vitali Kravstov
                                                                    NYR
                                                                      STL
                                                                        Alex Formenton
                                                                        3rd round pick
                                                                        OTT
                                                                          STL
                                                                            Isaac Ratcliffe
                                                                            1st round pick
                                                                            PHI
                                                                              STL
                                                                                Nathan Legare
                                                                                2nd round pick
                                                                                PIT
                                                                                  STL
                                                                                    Ryan Merkley
                                                                                    2nd round pick
                                                                                    SJS
                                                                                      STL
                                                                                        Taylor Raddysh
                                                                                        1st round pick
                                                                                        TBL
                                                                                          STL
                                                                                            Timothy Liljegren
                                                                                            2nd round pick
                                                                                            TOR
                                                                                              STL
                                                                                                Jett Woo
                                                                                                1st round pick
                                                                                                VAN
                                                                                                  STL
                                                                                                    Nicholas Hague
                                                                                                    3rd round pick
                                                                                                    VGK
                                                                                                      STL
                                                                                                        Alexander Alexeyev
                                                                                                        2nd round pick
                                                                                                        WSH
                                                                                                          STL
                                                                                                            Kristian Vesalainen
                                                                                                            1st round pick
                                                                                                            WPG
                                                                                                              STL
                                                                                                                Henri Johikarju
                                                                                                                3rd round pick
                                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                                  STL
                                                                                                                    Reilly Walsh
                                                                                                                    1st round pick
                                                                                                                    NJD
                                                                                                                      STL
                                                                                                                        Isac Lundestrom
                                                                                                                        2nd round pick
                                                                                                                        ANA
                                                                                                                        1. Dunn, Vince
                                                                                                                        DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                                                                                                                        2021
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        DET
                                                                                                                        2022
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        2023
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                                                                                                                        23$81,500,000$74,796,348$306,349$425,000$6,703,652
                                                                                                                        Left WingCenterRight Wing
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Hoffman, Mike
                                                                                                                        $4,000,000
                                                                                                                        RW, LW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        O'Reilly, Ryan
                                                                                                                        $7,500,000
                                                                                                                        C
                                                                                                                        UFA - 3
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Perron, David
                                                                                                                        $4,000,000
                                                                                                                        RW, LW
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Schwartz, Jaden
                                                                                                                        $5,350,000
                                                                                                                        LW
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Schenn, Brayden
                                                                                                                        $6,500,000
                                                                                                                        C, LW
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 8
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Kyrou, Jordan
                                                                                                                        $758,333
                                                                                                                        RW
                                                                                                                        RFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Sanford, Zachary
                                                                                                                        $1,500,000
                                                                                                                        LW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Thomas, Robert
                                                                                                                        $894,166
                                                                                                                        RW, C
                                                                                                                        RFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Bozak, Tyler
                                                                                                                        $5,000,000
                                                                                                                        C, RW
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Blais, Samuel
                                                                                                                        $1,500,000
                                                                                                                        RW
                                                                                                                        RFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Sundqvist, Oskar
                                                                                                                        $2,750,000
                                                                                                                        C, RW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 3
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Barbashev, Ivan
                                                                                                                        $1,475,000
                                                                                                                        C, LW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Krug, Torey
                                                                                                                        $6,500,000
                                                                                                                        LD
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 7
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Parayko, Colton
                                                                                                                        $5,500,000
                                                                                                                        RD
                                                                                                                        UFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Binnington, Jordan
                                                                                                                        $4,400,000
                                                                                                                        G
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Scandella, Marco
                                                                                                                        $3,275,000
                                                                                                                        LD
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 4
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Faulk, Justin
                                                                                                                        $6,500,000
                                                                                                                        LD/RD
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 7
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Husso, Ville
                                                                                                                        $750,000
                                                                                                                        G
                                                                                                                        UFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Mikkola, Niko
                                                                                                                        $787,500
                                                                                                                        LD
                                                                                                                        RFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Gunnarsson, Carl
                                                                                                                        $1,750,000
                                                                                                                        LD
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Clifford, Kyle
                                                                                                                        $1,000,000
                                                                                                                        LW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Bortuzzo, Robert
                                                                                                                        $1,375,000
                                                                                                                        RD
                                                                                                                        UFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Tarasenko, Vladimir
                                                                                                                        $7,500,000
                                                                                                                        RW
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 3
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        De La Rose, Jacob
                                                                                                                        $700,000
                                                                                                                        C, LW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Steen, Alexander
                                                                                                                        $5,750,000
                                                                                                                        LW, RW, C
                                                                                                                        NTC
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Walman, Jake
                                                                                                                        $725,000
                                                                                                                        LD
                                                                                                                        RFA - 2
                                                                                                                        Taxi Squad
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Perunovich, Scott
                                                                                                                        $925,000 ($0)
                                                                                                                        LD
                                                                                                                        RFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        MacEachern, Mackenzie
                                                                                                                        $900,000 ($0)
                                                                                                                        LW, RW
                                                                                                                        UFA - 2
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Neighbours, Jake
                                                                                                                        $897,500 ($0)
                                                                                                                        LW
                                                                                                                        RFA - 4
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Hofer, Joel
                                                                                                                        $795,000 ($0)
                                                                                                                        G
                                                                                                                        RFA - 3
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Santini, Steven
                                                                                                                        $700,000 ($0)
                                                                                                                        RD
                                                                                                                        UFA - 1
                                                                                                                        STL
                                                                                                                        Poganski, Austin
                                                                                                                        $700,000 ($0)
                                                                                                                        RW
                                                                                                                        RFA - 1

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                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:18
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
                                                                                                                        Who would we protect Krug Parayko Dunn the problem is you don’t pay attention to hockey enough. All you do is jack off to all the Maple Leaf players bud. Why don’t you come at it straight not be the guy who just hates on the Blues all day long.


                                                                                                                        Blues protect Krug, Parayko, Faulk. That leaves Dunn exposed.

                                                                                                                        & seriously, stop trolling me and insulting for no reason. I've stated facts about the team. Just cause you don't like how your team and a player ha performed, doesn't mean you should act out like that.

                                                                                                                        I'm not hating or trolling St. Louis. I'm talking about the subject that's been brought up. If you don't like my comments, don't read them or block me. I'm not dealing with your bull****.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:19
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: keep_ups12
                                                                                                                        I haven't paid much attention but is Dunn actually playing really bad? His stats don't even look that bad. The pair of Faulk-Dunn has a xGF% of 66.7 which is better then Krug - Parayko. I mean if the leafs didn't have a ton of defenseman, I would take a chance on him


                                                                                                                        See, people say he plays "sheltered minutes" but that's not true. The arguments against him are that the Blues aren't using him as a top 4 right now so therefore he must not be a top 4. He's a good defenseman still trying to find that consistency which is common for a 24 year old defenseman.
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                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:20
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Lenny7
                                                                                                                        When the ask is reportedly a 1st, and the fans turn around and think it's a first and a top prospect, it's a pretty solid sign that he's being overrated.


                                                                                                                        first and a B prospect, or 2nd and a good prospect is what I think is a reasonable return
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                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:21
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Blues4TheCup
                                                                                                                        talk about recency bias. Dunn is a very good young defenseman who has not been given the opportunity. Especially if there is a bidding war, I would not be surprised at all if this was the type of return they got.

                                                                                                                        He was a sheltered third pairing D the last few seasons so that isn’t a recency bias. You also failed to counter my points, bravo.
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                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:21
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
                                                                                                                        No what he has proved was that he was a stud before the Covid shutdown and now that he was out of it and only got 2 weeks to get ready and didn’t even get that because he was on leave. So he didn’t even get a full 2 weeks of practice what that proves was he wasn’t ready for the season start up. He has been one of the best D-man on the team before the COVID shutdown and it’s going to take him sometimes. Berube did the same thing with Thomas a night in the press box does some wonders. I don’t think he’s getting traded until at least TDL. Because there is no reason we would trade him for undervalue and he become a dynamic player again when he’s just in a funk because of COVID.


                                                                                                                        Funny coming from the guy that chirped Nylander and said he was garbage when he missed training camp and 2 MONTHS of the season, but when your favourite teams player misses 2 WEEKS of practise, all of a sudden it's fine to miss time and it takes time to get going.

                                                                                                                        Seriously stop responding now. Block me. I'll be blocking you and not putting up with your ****.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:23
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Blues4TheCup
                                                                                                                        bro unless you are someone who watches the blues every night you have no idea what you are talking about. Dunn is talented enough to be in the top 4, but the blues have a system where they spread out the talent on their D pairs. They had faulk and dunn on the 3rd pair most of last year because petro gunny and parayko Bouw always played well together. Him being on the 3rd pair doesn't mean anything. His analytics are really good and the market is always high on young defenseman. And he will absolutely be protected in Seattle if they decide to keep him. Faulk will be exposed as Seattle won't be touching that contract. and to use the word "terrible". he had a bad couple games that doesn't mean **** if you look at his career as a whole


                                                                                                                        "Spread it out" yet he can't remain with his same d partner as last season and gets passes by Gunnarsson? & he's been getting walked all over this season.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:23
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Blues4TheCup
                                                                                                                        bro unless you are someone who watches the blues every night you have no idea what you are talking about. Dunn is talented enough to be in the top 4, but the blues have a system where they spread out the talent on their D pairs. They had faulk and dunn on the 3rd pair most of last year because petro gunny and parayko Bouw always played well together. Him being on the 3rd pair doesn't mean anything. His analytics are really good and the market is always high on young defenseman. And he will absolutely be protected in Seattle if they decide to keep him. Faulk will be exposed as Seattle won't be touching that contract. and to use the word "terrible". he had a bad couple games that doesn't mean **** if you look at his career as a whole


                                                                                                                        I disagree that Seattle wouldn't touch that contract. Francis loves Faulk and was a major advocate. I can see him taking him
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:24
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: BStinson
                                                                                                                        He was a sheltered third pairing D the last few seasons so that isn’t a recency bias. You also failed to counter my points, bravo.


                                                                                                                        "3rd pair". You don't watch the blues every night so you have no idea what you are talking about. They had a system last year where they played their 3 pairings a similar amount. Yes faulk-dunn was the 3rd pair last year but they had more responsibility than a normal "3rd pair"
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:25
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Blues4TheCup
                                                                                                                        first and a B prospect, or 2nd and a good prospect is what I think is a reasonable return


                                                                                                                        It's 100% fair to overrate your own players, and I won't hold it against you.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:29
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Ryminister_27
                                                                                                                        "Spread it out" yet he can't remain with his same d partner as last season and gets passes by Gunnarsson? & he's been getting walked all over this season.


                                                                                                                        bro Faulk and Scandella have been amazing this year, so now wonder he is playing with someone else. And he regular partner Bortuzzo has been out most of the year. "walked all over"?? I'll admit the grundtrom goal was bad but you are exaggerating. And yeah Gunnarsson and Pietrangelo played well together thats why he was playing "above him" not necessarily because he is a better defenseman. You obviously no nothing about the Blues. Your opinions are actually cancer
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:31
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Ryminister_27
                                                                                                                        "Spread it out" yet he can't remain with his same d partner as last season and gets passes by Gunnarsson? & he's been getting walked all over this season.


                                                                                                                        also you are they guy that posted Engvall and a 2nd for Adam Pelech?? hard to take you seriously when you come up with trades like that
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:32
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                                                                                                                        The problem here is nobody actually knows Finns value it’s either overrating him or underrating him, he is 100% a top tier 2nd paring dman with the celling of a solid 1st paring guy and a lot of people don’t know that but his trade value is also haved rn because he isn’t fitting into Armstrong’s vision so he’s not getting proper play time and deployment and he’s getting benched for much worse players so I’d say rn he’s worth about a 2nd and 3rd/B prospect
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:40
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Blues4TheCup
                                                                                                                        "3rd pair". You don't watch the blues every night so you have no idea what you are talking about. They had a system last year where they played their 3 pairings a similar amount. Yes faulk-dunn was the 3rd pair last year but they had more responsibility than a normal "3rd pair"

                                                                                                                        He also played comparable time with Bortuzzo and a little with AP but yes 16 mins and 16 seconds of ice time = 3rd pair. I actually watched a fair bit of STL games because I knew I was moving to STL this year and wanted to get acquainted with team since I’ll be there for almost 4 years so yeah.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:41
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Bigboi69
                                                                                                                        The problem here is nobody actually knows Finns value it’s either overrating him or underrating him, he is 100% a top tier 2nd paring dman with the celling of a solid 1st paring guy and a lot of people don’t know that but his trade value is also haved rn because he isn’t fitting into Armstrong’s vision so he’s not getting proper play time and deployment and he’s getting benched for much worse players so I’d say rn he’s worth about a 2nd and 3rd/B prospect


                                                                                                                        He also got benched because the trade talks ramped up and they wanted to protect the asset. The other thing is Dunn won't be cheap long term. So that's the other issue here. We have guys like Mikkola and Perunovich who are ready to be full time guys and no room for everyone.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:43
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                                                                                                                        Can someone explain why Dunn is a top 4 D? His time on ice statistics consistently have him as a 3rd pair D, and not a 3rd pair that’s run evenly with the other pairs (6th most atoi last year, 5th this year, in both cases 3+ minutes below the guy ahead of him even including his PP2 time). If he’s a 3rd pair guy that can run PP2 but needs sheltered even strength ice time and no PK capabilities that’s fine, there’s some value there, but there’s no need to pretend he’s a good top 4 D when he’s never been deployed in that manner. I don’t see any of these teams giving up this much for him, it definitely won’t be a multi-piece deal (at least not multiple good pieces, 1st+B prospect I just can’t see happening) and STL would be lucky to get a late 1st for him imo.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 11:57
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Alfie11
                                                                                                                        Can someone explain why Dunn is a top 4 D? His time on ice statistics consistently have him as a 3rd pair D, and not a 3rd pair that’s run evenly with the other pairs (6th most atoi last year, 5th this year, in both cases 3+ minutes below the guy ahead of him even including his PP2 time). If he’s a 3rd pair guy that can run PP2 but needs sheltered even strength ice time and no PK capabilities that’s fine, there’s some value there, but there’s no need to pretend he’s a good top 4 D when he’s never been deployed in that manner. I don’t see any of these teams giving up this much for him, it definitely won’t be a multi-piece deal (at least not multiple good pieces, 1st+B prospect I just can’t see happening) and STL would be lucky to get a late 1st for him imo.


                                                                                                                        I mean, I think he's a serviceable 2nd pairing guy, but all of this "The Blues run 3 D pairings equally!" stuff is kinda funny, given that he was 6th amongst Blues Dmen in ATOI last year, playing more than 4 minutes per game less than the guy in the #5 spot.
                                                                                                                        Jan 27 at 12:05
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Alfie11
                                                                                                                        Can someone explain why Dunn is a top 4 D? His time on ice statistics consistently have him as a 3rd pair D, and not a 3rd pair that’s run evenly with the other pairs (6th most atoi last year, 5th this year, in both cases 3+ minutes below the guy ahead of him even including his PP2 time). If he’s a 3rd pair guy that can run PP2 but needs sheltered even strength ice time and no PK capabilities that’s fine, there’s some value there, but there’s no need to pretend he’s a good top 4 D when he’s never been deployed in that manner. I don’t see any of these teams giving up this much for him, it definitely won’t be a multi-piece deal (at least not multiple good pieces, 1st+B prospect I just can’t see happening) and STL would be lucky to get a late 1st for him imo.


                                                                                                                        So the thing with Dunn is that he has incredible underlying analytics in the very sheltered role that he has had, among the best in the league. When those are adjusted for quality of competition and time on ice, it would appear that he should be able to handle a bigger role. But, as you said, he's never been deployed that way, and you don't really know until you know. I would just rather know because the Blues played him there than because the Rangers or whoever played him there. I don't think our other options for the top four are overwhelmingly better.

                                                                                                                        The analytics would suggest that Dunn needs no sheltered time at even strength. There's been a lot of noise about him getting walked a few games ago and like that's bad and I would like him to not do that but defensemen get walked all the time. Pietrangelo got beat by Kyrou just last night and no one is super upset about that because Pietrangelo has pedigree. The thing is Dunn doesn't normally have to make those kinds of 1 on 1 plays because when he's on the ice, he controls a lot of the possession metrics. There's inherent value in something not happening when he's on the ice as there is something that is happening. It's like when goalies make an incredible save, it's usually because they're out of position in the first place,, but really good goaltending isn't going to result in those kind of sprawling plays because they're just in position all the time. If the Blues have the puck most of the time when Dunn is on the ice, he doesn't need to make these incredible defensive plays very often, and that's good because he's clearly not that good at them on the occasions that they do happen, and that sticks in people's minds.

                                                                                                                        The Blues, meanwhile, have every right to set the asking price very high and I am glad they are doing so. The upside on Dunn is still high enough that it's worth it. He's had similar results to Toews and Toews got two seconds, which I think was too low of a price to begin with.
                                                                                                                        Jan 28 at 1:22
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Ryminister_27
                                                                                                                        I'm sorry, was anything I said not true?

                                                                                                                        1. Dunn has struggled this season.
                                                                                                                        2. He'll be left exposed and taken for free if St. Louis doesn't move him.

                                                                                                                        Both of those FACTS lower his value significantly. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. But that's not hating on a team at all, it's literally just facts.

                                                                                                                        So either comment on the actual thread, or don't respond to my comments at all. Get lost.


                                                                                                                        Literally Parayko Krug and Dunn will be protected.
                                                                                                                        Jan 28 at 1:30
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: Ryminister_27
                                                                                                                        Funny coming from the guy that chirped Nylander and said he was garbage when he missed training camp and 2 MONTHS of the season, but when your favourite teams player misses 2 WEEKS of practise, all of a sudden it's fine to miss time and it takes time to get going.

                                                                                                                        Seriously stop responding now. Block me. I'll be blocking you and not putting up with your ****.


                                                                                                                        Seriously? The guy was sitting on the couch for over 4 weeks in Sweden because he wanted more money. Dunn had been sitting here dealing with them trying to make an offer, and oh yeah still doing work outs.
                                                                                                                        Jan 28 at 2:22
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                                                                                                                        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
                                                                                                                        Literally Parayko Krug and Dunn will be protected.


                                                                                                                        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
                                                                                                                        No you are hating, this is all you have done since we both joined this 2 years ago. It started with how Parayko was crap, and how Nylander was going to get 15 first round picks, and Parayko because he was significantly better. Then you moved onto how Pietrangelo wasn't as good yet he would come to Toronto for spare parts, then it moved into you overvaluing Liljegren saying he was going to be a Top 5 Defenseman one day, and how Rasmus Sandin was a better defenseman than Parayko will ever be. Then you went to trolling on my page, it's all you have done over the past 2 almost 3 years now is troll the Blues. It's all you do on the page. I could scroll through all of your comments on Blues trades, and not find one single positive comment toward the Blues. It's not facts. What is facts is that he was down from the break. Which he individually isn't doing that bad, he's an Offensive f'king defenseman. One game isn't the end of the world. Just look at Toronto. Who on that blueline core until now was good at defense. Absolutely no one you guys played like crap defensively, and you guys said they were still amazing defenseman like Toronto fans always do, but you gonna come into a Blues page and troll because he made a mistake. gtfoh leave the server while your at it. All you have ever done is troll. It's all you do every day.


                                                                                                                        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
                                                                                                                        Seriously? The guy was sitting on the couch for over 4 weeks in Sweden because he wanted more money. Dunn had been sitting here dealing with them trying to make an offer, and oh yeah still doing work outs.



                                                                                                                        I literally haven't talked to you in years because of how you act with your comments. We never agree, so I ignore you. You continue to quote me even though you always lead to this. Stop. The moderators have told us both not to respond to each other, so stop. You don't agree with me, cool. I don't care anymore, you've made that clear. Now stop talking to me as we were told before were both infracted. Goodbye.
                                                                                                                        Jan 28 at 2:50
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                                                                                                                        Alright everyone. These are the Blues' 5v5 time on ice per game numbers from the regular season last year:

                                                                                                                        1. Parayko 19.25
                                                                                                                        2. Boumeester 18.37
                                                                                                                        3. Pietrangelo 18.06
                                                                                                                        4. Faulk 17.61
                                                                                                                        5. Scandella 17.16
                                                                                                                        6. Dunn 14.34
                                                                                                                        7. Gunnarsson 13.6

                                                                                                                        Note that Scandella only played 11 games in this sample.

                                                                                                                        I have hardly watched St. Louis play at all last year, but I think it's fair to say he was clearly a 3rd pairing defenseman. And this isn't a 'our pairings are balanced so the 3rd pair gets more responsibility' situation. There is a very clear drop-off in ice time when it gets to Dunn. Additionally, he had the most offensive-zone skewed faceoff starts percentages on the team last year (outside of Mikkola, Walman, and Pouliot, who each played 5 games or less). so it's safe to say he did in fact get sheltered usage.

                                                                                                                        It's completely fine to have your own opinions on who Dunn is and what he can develop into, but to say he wasn't a sheltered 3rd pairing defenseman last year is simply untrue.
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