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dunn trades for the sens

Created by: Borocop
Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 27, 2021
Published: Jan. 27, 2021
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Trades
1.
STL
  1. Brown, Logan
  2. Reilly, Mike
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (OTT)
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3.
OTT
  1. Bozak, Tyler
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Dunn
STL
  1. Tierney, Chris
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (OTT)
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Id only do this if the sens don't want to compete anymore this year
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OTT
    Dunn
    STL
    1. Abramov, Vitaly
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2021
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    2022
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    2023
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    23$81,500,000$67,860,916$0$5,870,000$13,639,084
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $3,600,000$3,600,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
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    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
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    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $4,550,000$4,550,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 5
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
    LW
    UFA - 1
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    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
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    $1,650,000$1,650,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $749,250$749,250
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
    C
    UFA - 3
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    C
    UFA - 2
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    $736,666$736,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    C, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 8
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    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
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    $4,687,500$4,687,500
    G
    UFA - 4
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    $1,875,000$1,875,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
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    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    $700,000$700,000
    G
    UFA - 1
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    $900,000$900,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
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    $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    $768,333$768,333 ($0$0$0$0)
    LD
    UFA - 3
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    $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $735,000$735,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    LW, C
    UFA - 1

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    Jan. 27, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.
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    I just don't see the reason to put that many resources into a guy that will be on our third paring next year (Braanstrom and Sanderson). Not saying your value is off but just don't see the fit.
    Jan. 27, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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    I don’t really like any of these trades honestly. Dunn is just gonna be another Wolanin until he gets passed by Brannstrom
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    Jan. 27, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: wardbell92
    I just don't see the reason to put that many resources into a guy that will be on our third paring next year (Braanstrom and Sanderson). Not saying your value is off but just don't see the fit.


    gives them some more flexibility imo, if sanderson isint ready (i think he plays one more year and UND) we have another LD who can play under team control for a couple years we can ship off if need be. The blues are just my second fav team and i like dunn lol so thats the main reason
    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:13 p.m.
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    OTT
    Dunn, Vince

    STL
    Brown, Logan
    Reilly, Mike
    2021 2nd round pick (OTT)

    First trade scenario, This is too much for Dunn, who's basically a slightly better Mike Reilly. He was over hyped last season. There's a reason they want to trade him.

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    Dunn, Vince

    STL
    Formenton, Alex

    This is not a good idea. Of the three left shot winger prospects, Balcers, who's gone of course, Abramov, and Formenton, Formenton has the highest upside and the least drawbacks. Abramov is like Shane Prince, the darling little winger that can score, but isn't that good defensively, so he has to score like Dzingel or Hoffman, which he won't, or end up like Prince.

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    OTT
    Bozak, Tyler
    Dunn, Vince

    STL
    Tierney, Chris
    2022 3rd round pick (OTT)
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    Id only do this if the sens don't want to compete anymore this year

    I'd like to see a much better defenceman in the return for Tierney.

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    OTT
    Dunn, Vince

    STL
    Abramov, Vitaly
    2022 2nd round pick (TBL)

    I don't mind losing Abramov, but that second round pick is going to be a good one. This is the closest in value, but I'd hesitate before I did it, but it's the closest.
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    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: wardbell92
    I just don't see the reason to put that many resources into a guy that will be on our third paring next year (Braanstrom and Sanderson). Not saying your value is off but just don't see the fit.


    Quoting: Alfie11
    I don’t really like any of these trades honestly. Dunn is just gonna be another Wolanin until he gets passed by Brannstrom


    Quoting: Borocop
    gives them some more flexibility imo, if sanderson isint ready (i think he plays one more year and UND) we have another LD who can play under team control for a couple years we can ship off if need be. The blues are just my second fav team and i like dunn lol so thats the main reason


    Sanderson is likely to only spend one season at UND, which is best case scenario. He's not NHL ready, so he needs at least a few months in the AHL, best case scenario, longer possibly. After he does make it to the NHL, it will be a season and a half before he's really a stable enough NHL defenceman to play on the 2nd pair minutes, which puts his 2nd pair timeline at about TDL 22/23, or opening day 23/24. That's two seasons away, and someone needs to play 2nd pair minutes, compently, until then.

    I don't mind getting a Marcus Pettersson, and have him push Sanderson to take the 2nd pair spot away, and still be around during Sanderson's ELC contract. If Sanderson signs this offseason, then they can have a higher cap hit defenceman that's signed through 23/24, the third year of Sanderson's ELC, again, if he signs this offseason.

    Pettersson is signed through 24/25, which means one of Chabot or Pettersson gets traded at the 23/24 TDL.

    There's a chance Dorion trades for Vince Dunn, because they aren't very good at professional scouting, so unfortunately it's possible. If they pull it off, Dunn will be coming in hot...
    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensibleguy
    Sanderson is likely to only spend one season at UND, which is best case scenario. He's not NHL ready, so he needs at least a few months in the AHL, best case scenario, longer possibly. After he does make it to the NHL, it will be a season and a half before he's really a stable enough NHL defenceman to play on the 2nd pair minutes, which puts his 2nd pair timeline at about TDL 22/23, or opening day 23/24. That's two seasons away, and someone needs to play 2nd pair minutes, compently, until then.

    I don't mind getting a Marcus Pettersson, and have him push Sanderson to take the 2nd pair spot away, and still be around during Sanderson's ELC contract. If Sanderson signs this offseason, then they can have a higher cap hit defenceman that's signed through 23/24, the third year of Sanderson's ELC, again, if he signs this offseason.

    Pettersson is signed through 24/25, which means one of Chabot or Pettersson gets traded at the 23/24 TDL.

    There's a chance Dorion trades for Vince Dunn, because they aren't very good at professional scouting, so unfortunately it's possible. If they pull it off, Dunn will be coming in hot...


    So even if Sanderson takes until 2022-23 to be ready for top 4 minutes on the left side, Braanstrom should be ready by then and Wolanin is good for bottom pairing minutes. Sign another vet for a bit of depth (keep Coburn even) and should be fine. Keeping the 2nd is more important for the Sens going forward so....that means Dunn will be a Sen very soon #assetmanagement
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    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: wardbell92
    So even if Sanderson takes until 2022-23 to be ready for top 4 minutes on the left side, Braanstrom should be ready by then and Wolanin is good for bottom pairing minutes. Sign another vet for a bit of depth (keep Coburn even) and should be fine. Keeping the 2nd is more important for the Sens going forward so....that means Dunn will be a Sen very soon #assetmanagement


    asset management is not in the vocabulary of pierre dorion
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    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensibleguy
    Sanderson is likely to only spend one season at UND, which is best case scenario. He's not NHL ready, so he needs at least a few months in the AHL, best case scenario, longer possibly. After he does make it to the NHL, it will be a season and a half before he's really a stable enough NHL defenceman to play on the 2nd pair minutes, which puts his 2nd pair timeline at about TDL 22/23, or opening day 23/24. That's two seasons away, and someone needs to play 2nd pair minutes, compently, until then.

    I don't mind getting a Marcus Pettersson, and have him push Sanderson to take the 2nd pair spot away, and still be around during Sanderson's ELC contract. If Sanderson signs this offseason, then they can have a higher cap hit defenceman that's signed through 23/24, the third year of Sanderson's ELC, again, if he signs this offseason.

    Pettersson is signed through 24/25, which means one of Chabot or Pettersson gets traded at the 23/24 TDL.

    There's a chance Dorion trades for Vince Dunn, because they aren't very good at professional scouting, so unfortunately it's possible. If they pull it off, Dunn will be coming in hot...

    I wouldn’t hate Pettersson but I also see him as a legitimate 2nd pair guy that can handle 20 mins in all situations so that’s fine, and I agree it would be good to ease Sanderson in. Dunn’s a sheltered, 3rd pair PP specialist, I don’t know why we’d trade for him when we already have Wolanin/Brannstrom who can play that role.
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    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: wardbell92
    So even if Sanderson takes until 2022-23 to be ready for top 4 minutes on the left side, Braanstrom should be ready by then and Wolanin is good for bottom pairing minutes. Sign another vet for a bit of depth (keep Coburn even) and should be fine. Keeping the 2nd is more important for the Sens going forward so....that means Dunn will be a Sen very soon #assetmanagement


    I like Brannstrom, but it's too much too soon. He's ready for 3rd pair LD minutes, but he's going to be forced into 2nd pair LD minutes, and that's going to hurt him. The team needs a 2nd pair LD for Brannstrom as much as it does for Sanderson. I just think they will trade one of Brannstrom or Thomson before that because JBD is looking more and more like the future 1st pair RD, and not Brannstrom. That's not a knock on Brannstrom, that's a testament to JBD's ability to continue to get better and better.
    Jan. 27, 2021 at 1:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    I wouldn’t hate Pettersson but I also see him as a legitimate 2nd pair guy that can handle 20 mins in all situations so that’s fine, and I agree it would be good to ease Sanderson in. Dunn’s a sheltered, 3rd pair PP specialist, I don’t know why we’d trade for him when we already have Wolanin/Brannstrom who can play that role.


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