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Since I think they miss complete teardown

Created by: swinny
Initial Creation Date: Jan 11, 2021
Published: Jan 28 at 12:05
Team: 2020-21 Arizona Coyotes
Trades
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  1. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Goligoski, Alex
Additional Details:
The Bruins take one more kick at the can.

Goligoski can still play top 4 minutes effectively, and gives them blueline depth they need.

All for letting the kids play (Lauzon has looked good), but Cups are won with defense. Goligoski brings experience.
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  1. 2021 3rd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Demers, Jason
Additional Details:
The Canes should be in the mix, and I suspect will look to add some proven blueline depth at the deadline. Demers can certainly play some bottom 6 minutes.
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  1. Hutton, Carter
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Raanta, Antti
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Sabres are hanging around. Raanta should be all rights give them a solid enough tandem to helpnpush towards the playoffs.
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  1. Morin, Samuel
PHI
  1. Hjalmarsson, Niklas
Additional Details:
Hjalmarsson still has a bot of game left on him. The Flyers blueline, for as young and talented as it is, misses the stabilizing presence of Niskanen. Now, Hjalarsson iz no Niskanen, but he would certainky provide that stabilizing presence without taking icetime from the kids. Acquisition isnon hopes of a Finals appearance. Flyers are that good, and should be all in.
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  1. Johnson, Tyler
  2. Raddysh, Taylor
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Hear me out. Tampa gets a RW that can produce, saving $1.6 million in cap, and on what will be an expiring deal. Sure, some will say Johnson won't waive, but rumours had it he was willing to gonto Anaheim, so this maybe not too far fetched. For Tampa, this is about moving this contract out, getting some much need cap space moving forward while maintaining its offensive power.
TBL
  1. Kessel, Phil ($3,400,000 retained)
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Why would the Yotes do this? For starters, Johnson isn't that bad. Is he worth $5 million? No. But, with this complete teardown, the team still has to make basement, and of Johnson can put up 40 points, he is at least replacing Kessel's production. Raddysh should give the Yotes a scrappy 3rd liner here with top 6 potential.

There is a possibility more could be had given how much this helps Tampa, but Raddysh is still a touted prospect.
ARI
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Brassard, Derick
Additional Details:
I would argue Brassard is an upgrade on Cogliano, or anyone else the Stars may through on the 3rd line. They will go for it.
Buyouts
  • Michael Grabner: $833,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $3,400,000 (50%)
  • Oliver Ekman-Larsson: $990,000 (12%)
  • Darcy Kuemper: $1,000,000 (22%)
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2021
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CBJ
BOS
CAR
DAL
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PIT
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2022
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ARI
ARI
BUF
ARI
ARI
ARI
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2023
ARI
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$61,241,117$196,951$1,750,000$20,258,883
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Garland, Conor
$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
ARI
Schmaltz, Nick
$5,850,000
C
UFA - 6
ARI
Keller, Clayton
$7,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
ARI
Crouse, Lawson
$1,533,333
LW
RFA - 2
ARI
Dvorak, Christian
$4,450,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Raddysh, Taylor
$833,333
RW
RFA - 1
ARI
Hayton, Barrett
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 2
ARI
Fischer, Christian
$1,000,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
ARI
Pitlick, Tyler
$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
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Larsson, Johan
$1,400,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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Hayden, John
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ARI
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
PHI
Morin, Samuel
$700,000
LD, LW
RFA - 1
ARI
Kuemper, Darcy
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
ARI
Chychrun, Jakob
$4,600,000
LD
UFA - 5
ARI
Lyubushkin, Ilya
$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
ARI
Capobianco, Kyle
$775,000
LD
RFA - 2
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Oesterle, Jordan
$1,400,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
ARI
Caggiula, Drake
$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
ARI
Hossa, Marián
$5,275,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
ARI
Hunt, Dryden
$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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Gauthier, Frédérik
$700,000 ($0)
C
UFA - 1

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Jan 28 at 12:10
#1
Lenny7
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I think you're selling short on Raanta (Hutton is a cap dump...probably costs a 3rd to move him in the first place), and Kessel (You've turned Tyler Johnson into an $8.3 mil cap hit for the next 2 years, all just to downgrade your offence and get Raddysh, who will likely end up as a bottom 6 forward).
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Jan 28 at 12:26
#2
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Lenny7
I think you're selling short on Raanta (Hutton is a cap dump...probably costs a 3rd to move him in the first place), and Kessel (You've turned Tyler Johnson into an $8.3 mil cap hit for the next 2 years, all just to downgrade your offence and get Raddysh, who will likely end up as a bottom 6 forward).


I would currently take Hutton over Raanta, 1st game the whole team sucked, the last 2 games he has a 1.00 GAA and a .952 save%. If youre worried about the concussion, the Sabres could do better. For this price I'd consider Raanta
Jan 28 at 12:31
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Lenny7
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I would currently take Hutton over Raanta, 1st game the whole team sucked, the last 2 games he has a 1.00 GAA and a .952 save%. If youre worried about the concussion, the Sabres could do better. For this price I'd consider Raanta


I'm more worried about the past two seasons as a subpar goaltender (Yes, I know about his eyes), vs. Raanta's sustained success (albeit with injury issues). I'll take the multi-season sample size over the past 2 games, though I could see the Sabres standing pat if they believe in Hutton (I don't, but I've been wrong before).
Jan 28 at 12:48
#4
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Lenny7
I'm more worried about the past two seasons as a subpar goaltender (Yes, I know about his eyes), vs. Raanta's sustained success (albeit with injury issues). I'll take the multi-season sample size over the past 2 games, though I could see the Sabres standing pat if they believe in Hutton (I don't, but I've been wrong before).


its hard to factor in 2 previous seasons where he had an illness compared to the season after that illness was corrected and he came out playing visibly better
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Jan 28 at 1:01
#5
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Lauzon and Zborol have both been very good.

Additional Details:
The Bruins take one more kick at the can.

Goligoski can still play top 4 minutes effectively, and gives them blueline depth they need.

All for letting the kids play (Lauzon has looked good), but Cups are won with defense. Goligoski brings experience.


The Bruins do not need and old stinky guy. He is capable of top 4 minutes on the worst team in the the league.

The only D the bruins would add would be someone to build around (Hanafin as an example, heck Chychrun would work, but zero chance they pick up a 35 year old for a 2nd pick.
Jan 28 at 1:53
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Works for me. Hutton has seemingly improved this year but Raanta is still a much more proven and capable 1A/1B.
Jan 28 at 1:53
#7
Lenny7
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Quoting: Shibbal18
its hard to factor in 2 previous seasons where he had an illness compared to the season after that illness was corrected and he came out playing visibly better


Yeah, I think it's certainly a risk either way. Plus, given that they're both UFA's after this season, I don't see why Arizona wouldn't try to build up Raanta's value and move him for futures anyway. Guy has been well above average every season that he's played, and the likelihood of someone getting desperate for a goaltender in such a short, jam packed season most likely gives them a shot to take advantage.

Also, I love the fact that Mike Bales is your guys goalie coach...he was playing for the PEI Senators when I was a kid and for some strange reason he was my favorite tears of joy
Jan 28 at 2:44
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Quoting: Lenny7
I think you're selling short on Raanta (Hutton is a cap dump...probably costs a 3rd to move him in the first place), and Kessel (You've turned Tyler Johnson into an $8.3 mil cap hit for the next 2 years, all just to downgrade your offence and get Raddysh, who will likely end up as a bottom 6 forward).


Not sure it's downgarded, as Kessel didn't exactky light it up in his first year there - which is where I am gauging here. Now, if year 2 goes better it is more than reasonable to ask more than Raddysh, or just keep Kessel around.

The deal is really saying I see Kessel dojng what he did last year.
Jan 28 at 2:45
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Quoting: Propeller09
Lauzon and Zborol have both been very good.

Additional Details:
The Bruins take one more kick at the can.

Goligoski can still play top 4 minutes effectively, and gives them blueline depth they need.

All for letting the kids play (Lauzon has looked good), but Cups are won with defense. Goligoski brings experience.


The Bruins do not need and old stinky guy. He is capable of top 4 minutes on the worst team in the the league.

The only D the bruins would add would be someone to build around (Hanafin as an example, heck Chychrun would work, but zero chance they pick up a 35 year old for a 2nd pick.


Ya might wanna look at what Goligoaki is doing on the worst team in the league. Dude still has game.
Jan 28 at 3:26
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Quoting: swinny
Ya might wanna look at what Goligoaki is doing on the worst team in the league. Dude still has game.


Dont want him anyway. They made that very clear...
switch it up
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Jan 28 at 3:56
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Dont want him anyway. They made that very clear...
switch it up


Clear? Was that the pursuit of Pietrangelo and Ekamn-Larson?

🤔🤔🤔🤔 Seems to me the Bruins switched gears because they lost on both fronts. It's working out for them for sure, so far anyway.

The bigger point I think is that this is the Bruins last kick at the can - I would be surprised if Kreji is back. It's an aging forward corps. I say go for broke as this year is pretty wide open.

Maybe the Bruins prerogative to pass, I would think there are other teams that see value in moving a 2nd for that kind of defensive depth for the playoffs.
Jan 28 at 4:53
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Quoting: swinny
Clear? Was that the pursuit of Pietrangelo and Ekamn-Larson?

🤔🤔🤔🤔 Seems to me the Bruins switched gears because they lost on both fronts. It's working out for them for sure, so far anyway.

The bigger point I think is that this is the Bruins last kick at the can - I would be surprised if Kreji is back. It's an aging forward corps. I say go for broke as this year is pretty wide open.

Maybe the Bruins prerogative to pass, I would think there are other teams that see value in moving a 2nd for that kind of defensive depth for the playoffs.


"Seems to me the Bruins switched gears because they lost on both fronts. It's working out for them for sure, so far anyway" - literally all that needed to be said. My point exactly.
When they didnt get Pietro or Krug, they said crew it we are going young, they THEN let Chara walk and have rolled with a young defense that has been excellent (they lost those games early in the year cuz of a lack of 5on5 SCORING (not defense).

They are good!
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Jan 28 at 5:00
#13
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Quoting: swinny
Clear? Was that the pursuit of Pietrangelo and Ekamn-Larson?

🤔🤔🤔🤔 Seems to me the Bruins switched gears because they lost on both fronts. It's working out for them for sure, so far anyway.

The bigger point I think is that this is the Bruins last kick at the can - I would be surprised if Kreji is back. It's an aging forward corps. I say go for broke as this year is pretty wide open.

Maybe the Bruins prerogative to pass, I would think there are other teams that see value in moving a 2nd for that kind of defensive depth for the playoffs.


Yes, it was clear and you are not looking at things as they happened.

They never really went for Pietrangelo or OEL or they would have had them. Especially OEL. Again - they had money to resign Krug and Chara, or sign a guy like AP. They chose to go younger. IF they decide LD is an issue, will trade for a guy who is younger and preferably under team control. (Chchrun, Hanafin).

They could have traded for OEL, but the contract/term doesn't work for them. In fact, they are one of two teams that could HE would have waived for.

Also - not sure why you think it's their last kick at the can. I have been hearing that since 2013. The core aged out and has been replaced with McAvoy, Carlo, Grzelcyk, Pastrnak, Coyle, Debrusk & kase. Plus you add Bergeron and Marchand into that mix along with Rask and they are fine.

also - on the defensive end - Zboril, Lauzon & Vaakanainen could all become large parts of the core.

Studnicka, Frederic and Beecher are the next wave of centers coming through, they hope, like many other teams they have someone in the pipeline that can develop.

What you see is the Bruins running out of chances, and I see the Bruins were able to re-tool without taking a step back. They have 20m coming off the books (Rask, Krejci, Backes, + ) in an offseason that will see lots of movement because of Seattle. Rask and Krejci have both expressed their desire to stay in Boston, so I could see them both coming back on 1-2 year short money deals (5m/per)
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Jan 28 at 5:02
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
"Seems to me the Bruins switched gears because they lost on both fronts. It's working out for them for sure, so far anyway" - literally all that needed to be said. My point exactly.
When they didnt get Pietro or Krug, they said crew it we are going young, they THEN let Chara walk and have rolled with a young defense that has been excellent (they lost those games early in the year cuz of a lack of 5on5 SCORING (not defense).

They are good!


It's actually more than that. It wasn't that they lost out. They chose to. They could have signed Krug. He wanted to stay. They didn't really want Piertrangelo either. Not at 9m until he is almost 40. Nope. I want no part of that. This game is trending younger and younger and these weird seasons will take a toll on the guys in the mid 30's and later.

It was same with Tavares. He wasn't willing to fit in their structure.
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