I get you're looking for 'less biased' opinions but I'd say from top to bottom, from the Avs PoV, too much, too little, probably fair if the pick was changed to the 2023 second (third isn't enough but FLA would have to wait til 2023 as the Avs don't have any seconds earlier than that), though even at fair I'm not sure I'd do it.

the counteroffers are both jokes. your initial offer is pretty close imo, might need to add a pick or two for the retention

If either happened, neither the first nor the second deal would shock me -- after all, the professionals know a lot more about this sort of thing than we amateurs. Maybe substitute Girard or Timmins for Byram and take out the retention in the first deal and you would have an acceptable compromise. But that third deal is a joke.

Just my two cents.

Well the problem I see with your trade is the Avs don't need Huberdeau enough to pay that, though I think the value is close to fair. The counter offers seem like low ball offers. If Huberdeau demanded a trade I think the Timmins deal gets it done.

The first offer is likely closest in value due to the retention, but the reason Avs fans balk at the trade idea is because we don't really need a player like Huberdeau right now. Would it be awesome? No doubt. But with Byram, our top-4 D are locked for the next four years.

The first one is fair now, but it's only gonna get worse when Byram progresses. The 2nd one isn't really fair for Florida. The third one still isn't enough from Colorado. Huberdeau is a great player but Florida only would trade him for that first offer and I wouldn't do that if I'm Colorado

I'm an Avs fan but didn't comment on the proposal yet. Also, I try to be objective to the extent I can. With that out of the way, here goes:

I think your initial offer is pretty fair from a value standpoint. However, I also think Colorado values Byram a ton and probably aren't willing to include him in any deal. Similarly, I think Florida values Huberdeau highly and aren't ready to deal him at this point. Maybe that changes in a year or two, but I don't think they should be in a rush right now.

Assuming Huberdeau is on the table for whatever reason, Kaut or Bowers + Timmins or Barron or Helleson + Compher or Donskoi + a first would be around what the Avs might, might be willing to give. Look at it this way, Huberdeau means losing Saad in free agency. Is the difference between the two worth all of that? As good as he is I'm not sure it does.

The majority of avs said they wouldn’t move byram but would Newhook for him, but you over looked it completely

Man, you're really making Avs fans look bad by presenting those counter offers as if they were a unanimous offer by the Avs fanbase, when in truth it was one poster who made that offer, and multiple Avs fans including myself said that the counter offer was very weak.

JustaBoss: "But yeah I'm getting tired of this topic." .... *makes another AGM to talk about the same topic*

I don't think Colorado really needs another top end player. Either get the legit top end goaltender if they're not sure about Grub and Francouz or improve the bottom 6/depth. Thats all. Adding Huberdeau would be amazing but I don't think its really needed. Scoring isn't this teams problem. They didn't lose to Dallas because they couldn't score goals.

Byram and Girard are instant conversation stoppers. Don’t think for a minute that Sakic sees a top 4 of Makar, Byram, Toews and Girard and gleefully goes take that NHL deal with 4 guys that all can skate, move with the puck, pass, and play defense. What they bring to the back line is completely different than what any other team does, look at what Boughner had to say about them. All that being said Timmins a 1st and 3rd is a very weak counter offer, but the Avs aren’t going to move major assets for another winger it just doesn’t make sense. No matter how many times you try to repost the same thread a different way.

The other aspect of this is the expansion draft. The Avs now lost Graves and Byram in most people's assessment. The D has gone from very strong to still strong but nowhere near what it was for a forward who is really a luxury to them.

Wasn't really my intention

I GOT CURIOUS AGAIN sorry bud

Your stance is clear as a day.

I'm asking for outside opinions here.

One might learn something here if one broadens the horizons in a sense.

Lol, i'm just pulling your leg brother. I really enjoy your AGM's and the good conversation generated in the chat.

Gotta say it has been one of longest discussions I've had here in a long while on this site on literally one topic.

It's gone on long because it's an intersting topic, and neither side is wrong. There are valid reasons to pull a trade like this off, and also valid reasons not to.

Looking alright so far. Easy work for Grub mind you, but still decent. Right now, I imagine Joe is trying to find a decent 1B given Francouz's injury troubles.

Or one could just try to justify their point by asking the same question a different way. And for the record you don’t know a damn thing about me and how open minded I am, or how my horizons may or may not be opened. Stick to hockey. We have a difference of opinions, but don’t post on a public site asking for feedback and then whine about wanting other opinions.

Are you confident hes the guy? If so then yeah, no need.

He's definitely looked the part this year. Avs fans are just nervous about his injury last year paired with Francouz being on IR already.

I wasn't talking about you in a personal sense. Only thing about you clear to me is that you didn't like the exchange. And that's fine.

Since I'm disagreeing with you on this matter, and as a fan of neither team (COL and FLA), I wanted to hear the respective opinions of people who come from the same place as I do. Unbiased opinion. Imo that's the strongest one to base the facts on. I want to learn, get other people's idea on the matter.

If this is "whining about wrong kind of opinions for you" I suggest you leave the forum, because that's not the way to have a fruitful discussion.

One of the things a long time ago I had to learn professionally was how to analyze the cost benefit analysis of a situation. Byram is a Norris caliber minute eating 2 way defenseman under team control for 7 years on a team that 1) is already one of the best teams in the league 2) is one of the highest scoring teams in the league 3) is going to to be handing out massive contracts in the near future and will need cap flexibility 4) won’t be drafting anywhere near the top 10 in the next 5-10 years vs going all in on 1) a top end winger who hasn’t demonstrably shown even with a top C of being able to elevate his team to a playoff team 2) is gone in 2 yrs because no way are you going to be able to resign him.

You are basing your hypothesis on the Avs HAVING to go all in during MacKinnon’s current contract. Does their window suddenly close when he signs an extension no. But it is severely hampers them when he does if they remove one of the key young pieces and a 1st rd pick to replenish the cupboard when they do have to say good by to pieces like Toews, Nichushkin and probably Burakovsky during his next contract.

I’ll grant you Huberdeau makes them a better team today, but I wouldn’t even grant you he makes them a better team by the end of the season with what Byram has already shown.