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Reversing Almost Every Pierre Dorion Trade Will Shake You to Your Core

Created by: drewjenkins
Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 29, 2021
Published: Jan. 30, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$800,000
3$750,000
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Balcers, Rudolfs
2$700,000
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TOR
  1. Kleven, Tyler [Reserve List]
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OTT
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  2. 2022 4th round pick (PIT)
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  1. 2021 4th round pick (FLA)
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  1. 2021 7th round pick (MTL)
  2. 2023 7th round pick (MTL)
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WPG
  1. Meriläinen, Leevi [Reserve List]
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OTT
  1. 2021 5th round pick (OTT)
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  1. 2021 4th round pick (OTT)
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Vladislav Namestnikov
NYR
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Additional Details:
Vladislav Namestnikov
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  1. 2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2022 5th round pick (TOR)
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  1. Rees, Jamieson
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (CAR)
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  1. Stone, Mark
  2. 2021 6th round pick (VGK)
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Mattie Duchene
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  1. Bowers, Shane
  2. Byram, Bowen
  3. Girard, Samuel
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (COL)
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  6. 2023 2nd round pick (COL)
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    Mattie Duchene
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      Darren Archibald
      Anders Nilsson
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      1. Karlsson, Erik ($500,000 retained)
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      1. Balcers, Rudolfs
      2. Stützle, Tim
      3. Tierney, Chris
      4. 2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
      5. 2023 2nd round pick (COL)
      6. 2023 3rd round pick (COL)
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      1. Hoffman, Mike
      2. 2021 5th round pick (STL)
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      1. 2023 6th round pick (VAN)
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      Mikkel Boedker
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      MIN
        Nick Moutrey
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          Viktor Stalberg
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            Alex Burrows
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            1. 2021 7th round pick (SJS)
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              Tommy Wingels
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              OTT
              1. Brassard, Derick
              2. 2021 4th round pick (PIT)
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              1. Zibanejad, Mika ($850,000 retained)
              2. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
              NYR
              1. Brassard, Derick
              2. 2023 7th round pick (MTL)
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              1. Blackwood, Mackenzie
              2. 2022 3rd round pick (NJD)
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                Gabriel Gagne
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                1. 2022 3rd round pick (NJD)
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                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:12 a.m.
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                John 3 16
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                Ottawa never had Girard. They effectively traded Turris + Byram + Bowers + Hammond + Stienburg for Duchene.

                That trade only became bad because the pick turned into Byram instead of a mid or late 1st.

                The trade that looks the worst is the Mark Stone trade.
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                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:14 a.m.
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                Norris and Demelo wouldn't be on the team since they were part of the Karlsson trade. Also, in this scenario if they had Byram + Karlsson + Chabot + Girard they probably don't go with Drysdale or Sanderson, and would probably take Rossi/Perfetti instead.
                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:18 a.m.
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                Edited Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:26 a.m.
                Quoting: Richard88
                Ottawa never had Girard. They effectively traded Turris + Byram + Bowers + Hammond + Stienburg for Duchene.


                Not really ... they 'effectively' traded Turris to Nashville for:

                Samuel Girard
                Vlad Kamenev
                Filip Hallander

                And then traded the following to Colorado for Duchene:

                Bowen Byram
                Samuel Girard
                Shane Bowers
                Filip Hallander
                Vlad Kamenev
                Matt Stienburg
                Drew Hammond

                Which basically = 1ST + 1ST + 2ND + 2ND + 2ND + 2ND + 6TH

                The Nashville package was obviously offered directly to Ottawa first.

                It would be the same result for Nashville, Ottawa just didn't want it.
                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:21 a.m.
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                Quoting: MJC13
                Norris and Demelo wouldn't be on the team since they were part of the Karlsson trade. Also, in this scenario if they had Byram + Karlsson + Chabot + Girard they probably don't go with Drysdale or Sanderson, and would probably take Rossi/Perfetti instead.


                Bro what are you talking about?

                Ottawa signed DeMelo as a UFA this summer because he wasn't happy in San Jose and didn't think he would like Winnipeg.

                Once you start messing around with time travel some crazy things can happen ...
                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:25 a.m.
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                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:36 a.m.
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                Quoting: drewjenkins
                Bro what are you talking about?

                Ottawa signed DeMelo as a UFA this summer because he wasn't happy in San Jose and didn't think he would like Winnipeg.

                Once you start messing around with time travel some crazy things can happen ...


                CapFriendly transaction history disagrees with you:

                Erik Karlsson Trade History
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                Jan. 30, 2021 at 1:44 a.m.
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                Quoting: drewjenkins
                Not really ... they 'effectively' traded Turris to Nashville for:

                Samuel Girard
                Vlad Kamenev
                Filip Hallander

                And then traded the following to Colorado for Duchene:

                Bowen Byram
                Samuel Girard
                Shane Bowers
                Filip Hallander
                Vlad Kamenev
                Matt Stienburg
                Drew Hammond

                Which basically = 1ST + 1ST + 2ND + 2ND + 2ND + 2ND + 6TH

                The Nashville package was obviously offered directly to Ottawa first.

                It would be the same result for Nashville, Ottawa just didn't want it.


                That's just silly. Ottawa never owned Girard's rights, not even for 1 minute. He went straight to Colorado.
                Jan. 30, 2021 at 2:06 a.m.
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                Quoting: Richard88
                That's just silly. Ottawa never owned Girard's rights, not even for 1 minute. He went straight to Colorado.


                This is correct, Turris was traded with Bowers, Hammond, 1st (Byram) and 3rd (Steinberg) to Colorado for Matt Duchene. Colorado then traded Turris to Nashville for Girard, Kamenev and 2nd (Hallander). Hallanders draft pick was then traded from Colorado to Pittsburgh for a 3rd and 5th. Then Hallander was traded to Toronto with a couple players and a 1st (Amirov) for Kapanen.

                Kinda crazy how it all connects.
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                Jan. 30, 2021 at 7:24 a.m.
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                Cherry picking, speculation, and errors.
                Jan. 30, 2021 at 9:55 a.m.
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                How to... UNbuild a winner
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                Jan. 30, 2021 at 10:08 a.m.
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                Norris and demelo were part of the karlsson trade and we never *technically* had sam Girard on our team. He was part of a 3-way trade where he more or less went from nashville to colorado in the turris/duchene trade
                Jan. 30, 2021 at 10:53 a.m.
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                Quoting: Richard88
                Ottawa never owned Girard's rights, not even for 1 minute. He went straight to Colorado.


                Quoting: Richard88
                Ottawa never had Girard. They effectively traded Turris + Byram + Bowers + Hammond + Stienburg for Duchene.


                Quoting: Ajp_18
                This is correct, Turris was traded with Bowers, Hammond, 1st (Byram) and 3rd (Steinberg) to Colorado for Matt Duchene.


                Quoting: TCMonkey
                Cherry picking, speculation, and errors.


                Quoting: Borocop
                We never *technically* had Sam Girard on our team. He was part of a 3-way trade.




                You are all 100% correct, but we are definitely debating semantics here.

                1. Ottawa rejected Nashville's original offer for Turris | Girard + Kamenev + 2ND
                2. Ottawa wanted to use Turris+ for Duchene instead | Turris + Bowers + Hammond + 1ST + 3RD
                3. Colorado didn't want Turris, so they accepted exactly what Nashville offered Ottawa for Turris.
                4. A three way trade simplified the process for salary cap purposes.

                So Ottawa never technically had Girard, but Dorion knowingly chose Duchene over:

                - Round 1 Pick | 004 - 2019 | Byram
                - Round 1 Pick | 028 - 2017 | Bowers
                - Round 2 Pick | 042 - 2014 | Kamenev
                - Round 2 Pick | 047 - 2016 | Girard
                - Round 2 Pick | 058 - 2018 | Hallander
                - Round 2 Pick | 062 - 2018 | Stienburg
                - Round 7 Pick | 200 - 2018 | Hammond (est. value)

                Which is even wilder when compared to the putrid Mark Stone return shortly after:

                - Round 1 Pick | 015 - 2017 | Brannstrom
                - Round 2 Pick | 061 - 2020 | Sokolov

                However, we should all feel extremely blessed because:
                "We are entering five years of unparalleled success!"
                - Eugene Melnyk

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                TCMonkey yeah clearly there are some errors ...
                A lot of these players are on new teams or retired now.
                Missing young guys were replaced with equivalent draft picks.
                And I was too lazy to spend hours getting it perfect.
                And then I kept DeMelo because I felt like it.
                Deal with it son.
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