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Created by: OutCold13
Team: 2020-21 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 3, 2021
Published: Feb. 3, 2021
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I'm a big fan and I know he is not for sale, I think this is a over pay but probably the only way Calgary let's him go.
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  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Rossi, Marco
  3. 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
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If Flames fall out of playoff hunt, would they consider this?
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:29 p.m.
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hmm, maybe. Are you expecting MInny to make it in this scenario? I doubt Flames fall out of the hunt though
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:30 p.m.
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Oof... can’t see Minny considering this at all
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
hmm, maybe. Are you expecting MInny to make it in this scenario? I doubt Flames fall out of the hunt though


I think they would make it but get bounced pretty early. I think if they made this move followed by possibly signing Phillip Danault in the off-season the Wild might be in pretty good shape for 21-22 season.
Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:41 p.m.
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I don't like this, at all. This feels like a knee-jerk reaction if there ever was one.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Lindholm. But, not at this price, as I feel it's a overpayment, and because I feel Rossi is literally as good as Lindholm or better than or rather will be once he hits his prime.

Be patient, Rossi may be delayed. But every indication is that he'll be fine in the long-term and given his work-ethic, will probably come back stronger than before. That's his plan, and I believe him.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:41 p.m.
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I think they would make it but get bounced pretty early. I think if they made this move followed by possibly signing Phillip Danault in the off-season the Wild might be in pretty good shape for 21-22 season.


I agree with this but it’s still a lot to give up for Lindholm, who I like. Dumba and a 1st is probably what I’d give up. I think Rossi/Lindholm looks many times better than Lindholm/Danault in 3 years.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:43 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
I don't like this, at all. This feels like a knee-jerk reaction if there ever was one.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Lindholm. But, not at this price, as I feel it's a overpayment, and because I feel Rossi is literally as good as Lindholm or better than or rather will be once he hits his prime.

Be patient, Rossi may be delayed. But every indication is that he'll be fine in the long-term and given his work-ethic, will probably come back stronger than before. That's his plan, and I believe him.


I don’t hate a Dumba plus for Lindholm but I agree Rossi is not a piece to part with.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:44 p.m.
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I would love Lindholm, but this is too much. If we can get it done without Rossi or Boldy, sure, but otherwise I'd rather not. Problem is if I'm Treliving I'm asking for one of those two in a deal.

Should have moved Dumba, Coyle, and like Belpedio or Menell for Lindholm and Hanifin back in 2018...
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:45 p.m.
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I would love Lindholm, but this is too much. If we can get it done without Rossi or Boldy, sure, but otherwise I'd rather not. Problem is if I'm Treliving I'm asking for one of those two in a deal.

Should have moved Dumba, Coyle, and like Belpedio or Menell for Lindholm and Hanifin back in 2018...


Was that a thing?
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:47 p.m.
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That would be insane for the Wild. You’re not going to do any damage this year. Keep Rossi, and build for the future.

Although I guess trading a 1st isn’t as bad as I would’ve thought 6 months ago, since you’re basically guaranteed to make the playoffs.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: jnowariak
Was that a thing?


Well, Lindholm and Hanifin were traded for Hamilton, Ferland, and the rights to Adam Fox (who if I remember correctly wasn't willing to sign in Calgary). At the time Dumba and Hamilton were similar in terms of value, so I just spit-balled an equivalent deal. I remember @MNBassman being a huge proponent of getting Lindholm
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:57 p.m.
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I would love Lindholm, but this is too much. If we can get it done without Rossi or Boldy, sure, but otherwise I'd rather not. Problem is if I'm Treliving I'm asking for one of those two in a deal.

Should have moved Dumba, Coyle, and like Belpedio or Menell for Lindholm and Hanifin back in 2018...


How about Dumba a 1st and Marat K?
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 7:58 p.m.
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How about Dumba a 1st and Marat K?


I'd do it, not sure if the Flames do
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:00 p.m.
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I think they would make it but get bounced pretty early. I think if they made this move followed by possibly signing Phillip Danault in the off-season the Wild might be in pretty good shape for 21-22 season.


One problem here is this really screws up Calgary's expansion and pissing off markstrom by trading his best friend is probably not a good idea either
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:02 p.m.
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Make the 1st a 2nd and I'd do it.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:02 p.m.
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Quoting: OutCold13
How about Dumba a 1st and Marat K?


I don’t think the gap between Dumba and Lindholm is more than a 1st. I get there’s the whole center as a premium position thing but I don’t think we should pay extra because we don’t have depth. And if the Lindholm at C experiment works, they have him for 4 more years at less than 5 mil. He isn’t moving.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:03 p.m.
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That would be insane for the Wild. You’re not going to do any damage this year. Keep Rossi, and build for the future.

Although I guess trading a 1st isn’t as bad as I would’ve thought 6 months ago, since you’re basically guaranteed to make the playoffs.


That's pretty much a cart before the horse or chickens before they hatch thing right now.

Dumba could possibly be lost for the year, Spurgeon and Mojo could miss some significant time as well as half our forward core.

Plus Bjugstad, Johansson, Eriksson-Ek, Spurgeon and Bonino just joined Foligno on the Covid list. We're pretty well screwed for the next little while.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:05 p.m.
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How about Dumba a 1st and Marat K?


I'd throw Khovanov in place of Khusnutdinov instead, but that's just me.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:17 p.m.
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I don’t think the gap between Dumba and Lindholm is more than a 1st. I get there’s the whole center as a premium position thing but I don’t think we should pay extra because we don’t have depth. And if the Lindholm at C experiment works, they have him for 4 more years at less than 5 mil. He isn’t moving.


Dumba is now 2 calendar years from his 50p season + his 12g/10a 32 games before injury. He did nothing good last year. He's been decent, but not top pair quality this year. Plus he's injured again.

Lindholm's contract is a steal for the next 3+ seasons. A 2-way center that puts up 60p+ a year. Plus MN could go 7-3-1 and not have to worry about Greenway going to SEA.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:21 p.m.
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That's pretty much a cart before the horse or chickens before they hatch thing right now.

Dumba could possibly be lost for the year, Spurgeon and Mojo could miss some significant time as well as half our forward core.

Plus Bjugstad, Johansson, Eriksson-Ek, Spurgeon and Bonino just joined Foligno on the Covid list. We're pretty well screwed for the next little while.


Honestly, the west is so weak idk if it’s a foregone conclusion the Wild miss the playoffs even in light of the injuries. Which is precisely the the problem with the Wild, they are built to withstand bad luck.

Do you go after a guy like Logan Brown to see if he gels? Wait for Danault, who fits on paper but I’m not sold he’s the guy we think he is? It would be so much better if we were in a difficult division so there aren’t any delusions about what this season was all about. The last week has been tough not because we got hammered by a real contender, but because it put almost all of the deals that needed to be made before the year ended in the trash.
Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:31 p.m.
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Honestly, the west is so weak idk if it’s a foregone conclusion the Wild miss the playoffs even in light of the injuries. Which is precisely the the problem with the Wild, they are built to withstand bad luck.

Do you go after a guy like Logan Brown to see if he gels? Wait for Danault, who fits on paper but I’m not sold he’s the guy we think he is? It would be so much better if we were in a difficult division so there aren’t any delusions about what this season was all about. The last week has been tough not because we got hammered by a real contender, but because it put almost all of the deals that needed to be made before the year ended in the trash.


They aren't really built to withstand injuries this year. Rask, MarJo, Bonino, Sturm, and Bjugstad aren't much more than replacement quality players to begin with. They have no FWDs in the AHL worth noting. They can take a few hits to the d-corps and be okay. If JEE got injured for more than a game or two, this season would be over.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:34 p.m.
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They aren't really built to withstand injuries this year. Rask, MarJo, Bonino, Sturm, and Bjugstad aren't much more than replacement quality players to begin with. They have no FWDs in the AHL worth noting. They can take a few hits to the d-corps and be okay. If JEE got injured for more than a game or two, this season would be over.


That’s the point, they are replacement level players. And the D corps is good enough, at half strength, to beat out the Kings, Ducks, Sharks, and Coyotes. This season should have been over from the start. The problem is losing these players to Covid rather than being able to trade them at the deadline.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:44 p.m.
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Honestly, the west is so weak idk if it’s a foregone conclusion the Wild miss the playoffs even in light of the injuries. Which is precisely the the problem with the Wild, they are built to withstand bad luck.

Do you go after a guy like Logan Brown to see if he gels? Wait for Danault, who fits on paper but I’m not sold he’s the guy we think he is? It would be so much better if we were in a difficult division so there aren’t any delusions about what this season was all about. The last week has been tough not because we got hammered by a real contender, but because it put almost all of the deals that needed to be made before the year ended in the trash.


Take this with a massive grain of salt, given we just caught a major break in that this just broke out. Our next four games have been postponed due to Covid, through February 9th.

But, our schedule is as follows.

Aves
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Blues
Kings
Kings
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Kings
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Knights

Vegas is March 1st and the 3rd, respectively. However, interspersed among these games will likely be the make up games between the Aves (1), Yotes (2), Blues (1) after the 9th. Which means 3-4 stretches where we play 3 games in 4 nights situation.

This will be anything but a cake walk. The Ducks aren't playing poorly by any stretch of the imagination this year, despite their record. Same for the Kings, who will have the added chip on their shoulder given the Roy boarding for the rest of the year.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 8:57 p.m.
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Take this with a massive grain of salt, given we just caught a major break in that this just broke out. Our next four games have been postponed due to Covid, through February 9th.

But, our schedule is as follows.

Aves
Yotes
Yotes
Blues
Blues
Kings
Kings
Ducks
Ducks
Kings
Kings
Knights
Knights

Vegas is March 1st and the 3rd, respectively. However, interspersed among these games will likely be the make up games between the Aves (1), Yotes (2), Blues (1) after the 9th. Which means 3-4 stretches where we play 3 games in 4 nights situation.

This will be anything but a cake walk. The Ducks aren't playing poorly by any stretch of the imagination this year, despite their record. Same for the Kings, who will have the added chip on their shoulder given the Roy boarding for the rest of the year.


The fact we haven’t played STL or VGK is a good point and I agree the Kings and Ducks look good. I think my thought they will make the playoffs shows how much I believe in this team and that tweaks and time are really what is needed.

Hopefully Addison gets an extended look if Dumba is out as long as I expect and we can move Bonino and Johansson for close to what I hoped. I’m also optimistic Khovanov get a shot as well. We literally have zero to lose and can gain a bit of clarity about the future.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 9:03 p.m.
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That’s the point, they are replacement level players. And the D corps is good enough, at half strength, to beat out the Kings, Ducks, Sharks, and Coyotes. This season should have been over from the start. The problem is losing these players to Covid rather than being able to trade them at the deadline.


The guys replacing them aren't even replacement level players though. They are AHL players that shouldn't be near the NHL ice. That's the thing the GM actually thought this team could compete. Otherwise you don't sign Talbot and just keep Dub if you're going to tank. You let the rookie goalie get his games in the NHL to get the growing pains out of the way.

You trade Dumba, Brodin, or both for futures. Trade them and you've just sunk your d-corps for the season. Don't re-sign Foligno and trade him at the TDL. Take on some bad cap for a pick before the season starts.

If you're going to tank as a GM then tank. Not this get better at some spots and get worse at others thing that has happened.
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Feb. 3, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
The guys replacing them aren't even replacement level players though. They are AHL players that shouldn't be near the NHL ice. That's the thing the GM actually thought this team could compete. Otherwise you don't sign Talbot and just keep Dub if you're going to tank. You let the rookie goalie get his games in the NHL to get the growing pains out of the way.

You trade Dumba, Brodin, or both for futures. Trade them and you've just sunk your d-corps for the season. Don't re-sign Foligno and trade him at the TDL. Take on some bad cap for a pick before the season starts.

If you're going to tank as a GM then tank. Not this get better at some spots and get worse at others thing that has happened.


I just don't think Guerin is that delusional. I think he just doesn't want the loser mentality, like Buffalo creeping in.
I don't think he really thinks he can make a extended playoff run.
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