Quoting: palhal
Sorry guys, you missed the concept of the trade....Holland for a conditional pick. The Coyotes only send the pick if they resign Holland. No harm to Coyotes. Best wishes to Holland
What do the Leafs get? Now they are down to 47 pro contracts. Looks like the Leafs are preparing to make trades by TDL to take on other teams "unnecessary cap players"
Gee, Watty, it looks like you changed your mind. Your saying that it possible that a former # 1 pick can a bust or at least worth only a 6th rounder? Maybe Olesiak of Dallas is the same.
Well I'm not sure what you're trying to say because I can only understand legible english but I'll try to answer. 1. Oleksiak is defenceman and they come a higher premium then a forward. 2. Holland demanded a trade, so Arizona knows he wants out of Toronto and that they can't keep him, which drives his value down. 3rd: I believe he's mostly missed time due to injury 4. While he has only played 12 games, he has 3 goals and is a +1. Defencemen take longer to develop so while Holland at 25 is seen as in his prime, Oleksiak at 24 isn't (26-28 for defenceman). I think more teams will gamble more on Oleksiak than Holland. Unlike forwards, defencemen are in greater demand and are fine so long as they don't overplay their minutes. I'm guessing Holland is of no value on the bottom six because Babcock would use him in that role if he could and doesn't score enough to be in the top 6. I don't know much about Oleksiak, but if he doesn't go for a 2nd or 3rd, he'll go for another prospect. He is of more value to Dallas' roster than for a late round pick. Believe me, if Toronto wasn't loaded with centres Holland would still be with the Leafs, but why keep him if you have Kadri, Bozak & Matthews - Holland is redundant and without ample minutes, he can't show if he's worth it.
You're right, it's his 3rd stop so he reminds me of Emerson Etem. Is it his last chance? Likely, but Arizona will give him the opportunity to show himself the way he didn't get to in Toronto. He had 25 & 27 Pts in 14-15 & 15-16, so I think he could end up being a steal for a 6th pick if he produces like that in Arizona. Also, keep in mind that Arizona won't want to give up too much because of the expansion draft. Should they lose Holland, trading a higher pick would be devastating. Toronto didn't have to trade him, but they made it public, which is why is value tanked. If he sucked so bad, then why not just waive him and let him be claimed? He's clearly worth something. Honestly, had Holland not demanded a trade publicly, I would have held on to him, played him in the AHL and recalled him if there was injury to sell him higher at the deadline. You don't need him and he didn't fit into Babcock's system, so you basically gave him away.
Lastly, that Oleksiak trade is intended for the deadline when values always go up because teams get desperate. I mean really, what does Toronto have to lose? At what point do you start to say "screw picks, we're at stage now where we need players. Accelerate the rebuild." I can tell you you're not going to set your franchise back with a deal like this. You've been losing so long you're afraid to do anything. Defenceman aren't going to magically appear my friend. You gotta trade for them or be stuck with a fat FA contract that you'll regret signing 2 years in.
All I'm saying is look around the league. Teams just don't give away young players with potential. Given Oleksiak's size, my guess is mobility is an issue for him. If that is the case, then he's not worth a 2nd pick because if you can't skate in today's NHL you don't succeed. Period. But, I don't know what because I don't watch him every day and if Dallas has more talented defencemen in Honka, Lindell and Johns, I can see why Oleksiak would be expendable. But certainly, Dallas is not just going to give him away. Take Derek Forbort for example. He took 3 years in the AHL before making the Kings as a full time player this season and he was drafted 1 year before and didn't play his first game until he was 23. Oleksiak was 20 when he debuted and may have been rushed too early.
Sometimes a change of scenery is the best thing and for both Holland and Oleksiak, that could be the very thing to help get them going, especially if he's on a bad (or non-playoff team) that isn't trying to win, but develop (which Dallas isn't doing). We've seen it in the past. Is time running out? A little, yeah, but there is very little downside to getting someone like him.