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Getting rid of term

Created by: OutCold13
Team: 2020-21 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 8, 2021
Published: Feb. 13, 2021
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Just trying some trades. The Devils trade is a adjustment from what I've seen from devils fans on here. The Kane trade is a version of a trade I saw by someone else don't remember who though. The rest are my own bad trades. Anyway give me your thoughts and suggestions.
This isn't a finished roster it just finished the season and then Sharks have cap space to fix some things.
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. 2023 5th round pick (BUF)
2.
SJS
  1. Dell, Aaron
  2. Zacha, Pavel
  3. 2021 1st round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
1st is top 10 protected.
NJD
  1. Jones, Martin ($1,750,000 retained)
  2. Meier, Timo
3.
SJS
  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. Eriksson, Loui
  3. Juolevi, Olli
  4. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
Top 10 protected
4.
SJS
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir
Additional Details:
Blues need a bit more firepower and Tanks shoulder sounds like it may never be the same.
I understand if Blues aren't interested but keep in mind Burns can play the RW. Money in isn't far from the money out.
Seems worth a shot. For the Sharks they either get a great wing or they get cap space by putting him on LTIR.
When it comes to trade clause's that could be a deal breaker.
5.
SJS
MTL
  1. Couture, Logan
  2. Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
Additional Details:
The thinking is Weber is a upgrade over Vlasic though both are in decline. Couture is better than Danault but Danault is a capable center to help Sharks transition and Sharks could sign him to a reasonable term and salary. Byron is just salary balance nothing more. The 2nd is for the salary of Byron that sharks take on.
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vlasic
Couture >>> Danault but Couture contract isn’t good
Anyway, horrid trade for MTL
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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sharks should pass on the Devils trade and canucks trade
Feb. 13, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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Quoting: GMs
Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vlasic
Couture >>> Danault but Couture contract isn’t good
Anyway, horrid trade for MTL


Fair enough. Thought I would try it.
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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sharks should pass on the Devils trade and canucks trade


Think they can get more?
Feb. 13, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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I like the Devils trade
Feb. 13, 2021 at 3:58 p.m.
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Quoting: OutCold13
Think they can get more?


yeah meier would get a pretty high return by himself which the sharks need pretty badly, dont really see the sense in tagging martin jones on to tank his value. i would do that canucks trade if the sharks were sending nothing, eriksson has to be one of the most expensive cap dumps in the league and the rest of the package probably covers his cap dumpage, theres nothing actually there for kane imo
Feb. 13, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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yeah meier would get a pretty high return by himself which the sharks need pretty badly, dont really see the sense in tagging martin jones on to tank his value. i would do that canucks trade if the sharks were sending nothing, eriksson has to be one of the most expensive cap dumps in the league and the rest of the package probably covers his cap dumpage, theres nothing actually there for kane imo


Good point on Kane. I guess the Sharks could hold on to Jones, not sure what goalies are free agents this year anyway.
Feb. 13, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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There is not a single reason for the Blues to do that. Tank is a Blue to the bone, they don't need an RD, and your comment about the cap hit is just wrong because Burns is signed until 2025 (which means nearly an extra $20M in spending). Waaaaaay less than zero chance of this even being considered.
Feb. 13, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
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Quoting: GMs
Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vlasic
Couture >>> Danault but Couture contract isn’t good
Anyway, horrid trade for MTL


Quoting: OutCold13
Fair enough. Thought I would try it.


I truly wonder who'll be out of the league first, Weber or Vlasic?
Feb. 13, 2021 at 5:02 p.m.
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Welcome to Jersey, Timo
Feb. 13, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.
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I'd strongly advise against trading Timo Meier.
Feb. 13, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.
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Wow, Canucks would rather put up with Ericsson for a year and half rather than take on Kane and his contract, and you want the Canucks to add a first rounder too?

No reason for the Blues to do that trade and also players have NTCs, certainly no reason for Taresko to waive to the San Jose disaster.

Devils don't do that deal either. They would rather keep Zacha and 1st rounder and lots of cap space instead of Meier and the failing Jones.

Way too much long term cap for Montreal to make that trade work. Weber is still performing at a high level. Even if Montreal has to keep Byron 3.4m X 2.5 years, they still have lots of cap room to find a good player instead of acquiring 9m Couture. Plus NTCs may come into play.
Feb. 13, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.
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There is not a single reason for the Blues to do that. Tank is a Blue to the bone, they don't need an RD, and your comment about the cap hit is just wrong because Burns is signed until 2025 (which means nearly an extra $20M in spending). Waaaaaay less than zero chance of this even being considered.


I'll put the Blues down as a definitely maybe. Lol
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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Wow, Canucks would rather put up with Ericsson for a year and half rather than take on Kane and his contract, and you want the Canucks to add a first rounder too?


Kane should be able to finish his contract out without major regression. He is killer in the playoffs, not that the Canucks are going anywhere near those this year. I don't look at his contract as awful in terms of term but he is overpaid IMO.
If you think this trade was bad you should have been there while I tried to brainstorm a way to get the Leafs to give up Marner for Kane. I couldn't even BS myself enough to put that out there.
Do you have any ideas for me on a fit and price for a guy like Kane?
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 5:35 p.m.
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Kane should be able to finish his contract out without major regression. He is killer in the playoffs, not that the Canucks are going anywhere near those this year. I don't look at his contract as awful in terms of term but he is overpaid IMO.
If you think this trade was bad you should have been there while I tried to brainstorm a way to get the Leafs to give up Marner for Kane. I couldn't even BS myself enough to put that out there.
Do you have any ideas for me on a fit and price for a guy like Kane?


First Kane has NTC. Now I know he can waive but still it's a factor. Most trades now, you have to trade similar cap and even term to make a trade work. Teams with cap don't want Kane, they can spend 7m better. Kane was always a polarizing player. And now with his financial and probably mental difficulties, I can't imagine any team wanting to take a chance on him. Best bet for Sharks, is he stays on LTIR...because he may not mentally be ready for the NHL. If Kane was known to gamble on the NHL games, that will void his contract.
Fact is, the Sharks bet that the cap would rise and they were suckered into into giving aging or soon to be aging players long term contracts many with NTCs. I really think the Sharks with so many of players long term....they just represent poor value in a flat cap league.
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 6:01 p.m.
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First Kane has NTC. Now I know he can waive but still it's a factor. Most trades now, you have to trade similar cap and even term to make a trade work. Teams with cap don't want Kane, they can spend 7m better. Kane was always a polarizing player. And now with his financial and probably mental difficulties, I can't imagine any team wanting to take a chance on him. Best bet for Sharks, is he stays on LTIR...because he may not mentally be ready for the NHL. If Kane was known to gamble on the NHL games, that will void his contract.
Fact is, the Sharks bet that the cap would rise and they were suckered into into giving aging or soon to be aging players long term contracts many with NTCs. I really think the Sharks with so many of players long term....they just represent poor value in a flat cap league.


Kane is currently playing and I don't think his debts are gambling related. My understanding is he may have a few too many people taking advantage of his generosity. Vancouver is likely one of the 3 teams he has open as a trade possibility, he is from there. The flat cap stuff I totally agree with you, things look bad for the Sharks. Kane has always struck me as a guy who doesn't get you there but he gets you through.
Feb. 13, 2021 at 7:22 p.m.
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If the Sharks are going to rebuild, they might as well keep Jones.

Vlasic is pretty much untradeable at this point. Last season he looked like a top-4 player getting paid #1 money; now he doesn't look like an NHLer and teams are even more financially distressed.
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 11:43 p.m.
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Weber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vlasic
Couture >>> Danault but Couture contract isn’t good
Anyway, horrid trade for MTL


Weber is way better and his deal is insanely better the cap hit is 8 but the actual salary is 6,3,1,1,1,1 vs vlasic who’s at 7 mil till the end. No way Montreal does that one, the couture for danault is interesting for both sides but still say no
The rest of these deals your way overvaluing sharks pieces and failing to account for the fact everyone knows were in cap he’ll.
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 11:47 p.m.
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Weber is way better and his deal is insanely better the cap hit is 8 but the actual salary is 6,3,1,1,1,1 vs vlasic who’s at 7 mil till the end. No way Montreal does that one, the couture for danault is interesting for both sides but still say no
The rest of these deals your way overvaluing sharks pieces and failing to account for the fact everyone knows were in cap he’ll.


Yeah I was throwing Hail Marys. Sharks are in trouble. This flat cap will kill them. I'm now trying to find a way to fix them without a rebuild. Looking for underachievers who need a change of scenery.
Feb. 13, 2021 at 11:49 p.m.
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I'd strongly advise against trading Timo Meier.

I’m torn on Meir, I think he may never reach his potential and if sell with his value high, really hope I’m wrong
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 11:51 p.m.
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I truly wonder who'll be out of the league first, Weber or Vlasic?

I’m starting to wonder if sharks force vlasic to retire or feign an injury and throw him on LTIR, he just isn’t a viable D man for any price even 1mil a year
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Feb. 13, 2021 at 11:56 p.m.
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Yeah I was throwing Hail Marys. Sharks are in trouble. This flat cap will kill them. I'm now trying to find a way to fix them without a rebuild. Looking for underachievers who need a change of scenery.


If vlasic becomes LTIR and Seattle takes jones we will be ok
For a few years but sadly we’re not in cup contention for 5/6 years, so in my opinion best to start stock pilling picks and just ride out these disasters.
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Feb. 14, 2021 at 12:24 a.m.
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Habs decline
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Feb. 14, 2021 at 12:32 a.m.
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Habs decline


Putting the Habs down as a "we will think about it". Lol
Feb. 14, 2021 at 1:29 a.m.
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I’m torn on Meir, I think he may never reach his potential and if sell with his value high, really hope I’m wrong


Fair, depending on what you think his ceiling is, but I believe he's already a damn good player, just entering in his prime.

You may not be a possession metrics believer, but if you were, he's off the charts this year (eg relative corsi for), after already logging several years of solid play.

Idk, feels dangerous to give up on him now. Yes, you can try to trade high, but this team needs someone to build around & TM is a nice piece. Tough call.
 
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