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End of the rebuild

Created by: truculence67
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 15, 2021
Published: Feb. 15, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
3$825,000
3$825,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$7,250,000
3$3,400,000
2$1,500,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,000,000
2$3,000,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
Trades
1.
OTT
SJS
  1. Wolanin, Christian [RFA Rights]
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Seattle
2.
SJS
  1. White, Colin
  2. Zub, Artem [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
3.
OTT
  1. Neal, James
  2. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$63,285,083$0$3,907,500$18,214,917
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
LW
UFA - 7
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
UFA - 1
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$4,725,000$4,725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,600,000$3,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$747,500$747,500 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
LW
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
C
RFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$749,250$749,250
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$450,000$450K)
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Feb. 15, 2021 at 1:23 p.m.
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Lol nah. The rebuild will be over when we draft Brandt Clarke or Owen Power this year and one of Wright/Lambert/Savoie next year
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Feb. 15, 2021 at 1:24 p.m.
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adding Tyson Turnovers and Labanc doesn't take a team out of a rebuild
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Feb. 15, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
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Seattle will not be selecting Wolanin

OTT
Labanc, Kevin
SJS
White, Colin
Zub, Artem [RFA Rights]
2021 2nd round pick (SJS)

Not a chance


OTT
Neal, James
2022 1st round pick (EDM)
2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
Dadonov, Evgeni
Högberg, Marcus [RFA Rights]

Not a chance
Feb. 15, 2021 at 1:40 p.m.
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Hmm, while Dadonov is definitely a better all around contributor than Neal, the cap to hits are almost a wash. Not sure Dadonov is worth that much more than Neal to be giving up a 1st and a 2nd for. Buyout of Neal this summer and keeping the picks is probably a better option for the Oil.
Feb. 15, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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Hmm, while Dadonov is definitely a better all around contributor than Neal, the cap to hits are almost a wash. Not sure Dadonov is worth that much more than Neal to be giving up a 1st and a 2nd for. Buyout of Neal this summer and keeping the picks is probably a better option for the Oil.


Wasted cap hit if Edm buys out Neil this summer
20/21 $3.8MM (Pouliot $ Sekera)
21/22 $3.4MM (Sekera & Neal)
22/23 $3.4MM (Sekera & Neal)
23/24 $1.9MM (Neal)
24/25 $1.9MM (Neal)

As for the trade, you have to give the picks just to get rid of Neal, the 2nd for 21/22 of his contract, and the 1st for 22/23 of his contract, and the cost to acquire Dadonov hasn't even been addressed yet.

BTW, don't even suggest it wouldn't cost to get rid of Neal after you just suggested the Oilers should buy him out.
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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Wasted cap hit if Edm buys out Neil this summer
20/21 $3.8MM (Pouliot $ Sekera)
21/22 $3.4MM (Sekera & Neal)
22/23 $3.4MM (Sekera & Neal)
23/24 $1.9MM (Neal)
24/25 $1.9MM (Neal)

As for the trade, you have to give the picks just to get rid of Neal, the 2nd for 21/22 of his contract, and the 1st for 22/23 of his contract, and the cost to acquire Dadonov hasn't even been addressed yet.

BTW, don't even suggest it wouldn't cost to get rid of Neal after you just suggested the Oilers should buy him out.


“Cost to acquire Dadonov”... what would that be exactly? A 31 year old with a 5mil cap hit on pace for less than 25 points this season. Good luck finding a trading partner without taking a bad contract back. The main reason Edmonton bites on this deal is that dadonov could be an excellent linemate for mcDavid.

I actually think that a first + Neal would get this deal done but added the second in case dadonov heats up later this season
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:16 p.m.
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Wasted cap hit if Edm buys out Neil this summer
20/21 $3.8MM (Pouliot $ Sekera)
21/22 $3.4MM (Sekera & Neal)
22/23 $3.4MM (Sekera & Neal)
23/24 $1.9MM (Neal)
24/25 $1.9MM (Neal)

As for the trade, you have to give the picks just to get rid of Neal, the 2nd for 21/22 of his contract, and the 1st for 22/23 of his contract, and the cost to acquire Dadonov hasn't even been addressed yet.

BTW, don't even suggest it wouldn't cost to get rid of Neal after you just suggested the Oilers should buy him out.


I won't spend much time arguing on what it would cost to get rid of Neal, since it's a prohibitive cost IMO, being at least a 1st and another pick as you suggest. Buyout would be better that that in my opinion, but probably, just keeping him as a 4th liner with PP ability for two more years is better. With Bouchard, Jones/Lagesson, Broberg and Holloway likely to all be part of the lineup through most of the last two years of Neal's deal, the Oil cap issues aren't going to be all that bad. Yam and Kahun will likely get short 2-3 year bridge deals to cover that time as well, at fairly middling costs. So all in all, unless the team really values something like signing a starting goalie to a 6+ million contract (which I don't think is needed if a more dependable, middle-cost short term platooner is brought in in the offseason alongside Koski, like Halak), then just getting through the last two years of Neal is doable without mortgaging the future like you propose.
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Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:20 p.m.
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“Cost to acquire Dadonov”... what would that be exactly? A 31 year old with a 5mil cap hit on pace for less than 25 points this season. Good luck finding a trading partner without taking a bad contract back. The main reason Edmonton bites on this deal is that dadonov could be an excellent linemate for mcDavid.

I actually think that a first + Neal would get this deal done but added the second in case dadonov heats up later this season


That's awesome statistical rhetoric, I really mean that, it's really top notch.

First off, this season is 56 games, or 68% of a regular season, so yeah, he's going to have fewer points this season because there's fewer games.
Dadonov just joined a new team, learning new systems, so he had a rough start. He has 3 points in his last 4 games, of course he's going to heat up.
Why do you want a $5MM player on pace for less than 25 points? Because you know he's not going to finish with less than 25 points. So do we.

This is where most people fail on this site, thinking that their teenage logic will convince others that their trade ideas are viable, when it isn't the people reading these threads making the decisions. They aren't fooled by statistical rhetoric anymore than we are.

Add more if you want Dadonov, or suffer with Neal.
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:20 p.m.
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I won't spend much time arguing on what it would cost to get rid of Neal, since it's a prohibitive cost IMO, being at least a 1st and another pick as you suggest. Buyout would be better that that in my opinion, but probably, just keeping him as a 4th liner with PP ability for two more years is better. With Bouchard, Jones/Lagesson, Broberg and Holloway likely to all be part of the lineup through most of the last two years of Neal's deal, the Oil cap issues aren't going to be all that bad. Yam and Kahun will likely get short 2-3 year bridge deals to cover that time as well, at fairly middling costs. So all in all, unless the team really values something like signing a starting goalie to a 6+ million contract (which I don't think is needed if a more dependable, middle-cost short term platooner is brought in in the offseason alongside Koski, like Halak), then just getting through the last two years of Neal is doable without mortgaging the future like you propose.


https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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I won't spend much time arguing on what it would cost to get rid of Neal, since it's a prohibitive cost IMO, being at least a 1st and another pick as you suggest. Buyout would be better that that in my opinion, but probably, just keeping him as a 4th liner with PP ability for two more years is better. With Bouchard, Jones/Lagesson, Broberg and Holloway likely to all be part of the lineup through most of the last two years of Neal's deal, the Oil cap issues aren't going to be all that bad. Yam and Kahun will likely get short 2-3 year bridge deals to cover that time as well, at fairly middling costs. So all in all, unless the team really values something like signing a starting goalie to a 6+ million contract (which I don't think is needed if a more dependable, middle-cost short term platooner is brought in in the offseason alongside Koski, like Halak), then just getting through the last two years of Neal is doable without mortgaging the future like you propose.


I didn't propose anything, I stated the proposed trade wasn't enough, and if you want the player, you need to add. The value is not enough. Nothing proposed, unless you consider fair value a proposal, lol.
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:33 p.m.
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I didn't propose anything, I stated the proposed trade wasn't enough, and if you want the player, you need to add. The value is not enough. Nothing proposed, unless you consider fair value a proposal, lol.


Well, you are proposing something in bold, that if there were a trade, it would be the trade listed hear plus more coming from the Oil. I think when the Oil have better options than that, like just playing Neal until the end, or having his 1.9 mil sit on the books while Holloway plays his 3 years ELC in place at LW are better options than resorting to a trade of any sort that requires losing a 1st, 2nd plus while another old winger takes up equivalent cap space.

Also thanks for the link to how to calculate buyouts. How would I ever have heard about buyouts and James Neal's potential buyout hit without your assistance!
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:35 p.m.
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Well, you are proposing something in bold, that if there were a trade, it would be the trade listed hear plus more coming from the Oil. I think when the Oil have better options than that, like just playing Neal until the end, or having his 1.9 mil sit on the books while Holloway plays his 3 years ELC in place at LW are better options than resorting to a trade of any sort that requires losing a 1st, 2nd plus while another old winger takes up equivalent cap space.

Also thanks for the link to how to calculate buyouts. How would I ever have heard about buyouts and James Neal's potential buyout hit without your assistance!


That's not a proposal, it's a point of fact. Nothing was offered. Even your semantics are lame. Move on or be ignored for stupidity.
Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.
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That's not a proposal, it's a point of fact. Nothing was offered. Even your semantics are lame. Move on or be ignored for stupidity.


We are both subjective posters man. There are no facts in trade values conjured up by fanposters like ourselves lol. Just opinions.
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Feb. 15, 2021 at 2:42 p.m.
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We are both subjective posters man. There are no facts in trade values conjured up by fanposters like ourselves lol. Just opinions.


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Feb. 15, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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Ouch

White + Zub + 2nd for Labanc

That would hurt badly

Never understood the fascination with Labanc
 
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